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    before the Italian coast

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    Can you say the boat sank before the Italian coast? ( So, the people in it were heading towards Italy but before they arrived, the boat sank.)
    Author luciesuzanne (836303) 03 Nov 13, 17:54
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    Probably not.
    #1Author Jurist (US) (804041) 03 Nov 13, 18:12
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    ... sank off the Italian coast ...
    #2Author no me bré (700807) 03 Nov 13, 18:20
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    ...sank before reaching the coast
    #3Author Ecgberht (469528) 03 Nov 13, 22:58
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    #2 if somewhere quite close to the Italian coast is meant.
    #4Author Jurist (US) (804041) 03 Nov 13, 23:05
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    "before" has a time element, eg #3, before reaching....but not simply "before the coast"
    #5Author RES-can (330291) 03 Nov 13, 23:08
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    It usually has a time element, but not always: he went before the judge, e.g. - that doesn't mean that he went and then the judge went. Although it could. :-)
    #6Author dude (253248) 03 Nov 13, 23:15
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    LOL... dude, you're right of course... but anything even slightly legally tinged is in its own world....as you well know :) :)
    #7Author RES-can (330291) 04 Nov 13, 00:01
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    I wonder if there is a dated, perhaps mostly nautical expression here. We saw two ships before the coast? Cf. Two years before the Mast.

    Still, #1 and #2.
    #8Author Jurist (US) (804041) 04 Nov 13, 00:17
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    before the door geht manchmal wohl auch:

    related discussion: Herzinfarkt für Englischlehrer
    #9Author Harri Beau (812872) 04 Nov 13, 10:57
     
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