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    Crossover Chat #357


     This is not just another chat room. We are here to improve our language skills, German or English, and to encourage a spirit of community. All who share those aims are welcome.


    In the immortal words of our founder, odondon irl: «ein Faden, in dem Deutschsprechende auf Englisch und Englischsprechende auf Deutsch schreiben können, um zu üben, um Korrekturen zu ergattern, um des Spaßes Willen».


    Our previous thread Crossover Chat #356 can be found here:

    related discussion: Crossover Chat No 356

    Participants were (in no particular order, other than alphabetical); Amy-MiMi, Dixie, Goldammer, He-le-na, hm—us, Jabonah, Jesse_Pinkman, martin—cal, mbshu, patman2, penguin, plidsi, Pottkieker, RenaRd, virus, Wachtelkönig, Wik (apologies to anybody I might have misspelled or even forgotten)


    Average posts per day: 2.3 (slightly higher than the previous Fädle)

    We had 12 posts in German from 4 different contributors, a recruitment drive is required!



    • Contrary to persistent rumours, Wik did not murder his neighbour E(a)rnest (or did he?)…
    • The Ladies’ soccer/football European championship has prompted a lot of “nerves” contributions
    • Snails are travelling again, we chatted about Belize, Andalucia, the West of Ireland, Mallorca, Berlin, Ulm, Lausanne and many other places. Paris appears to be a contentious topic, though.
    • Goldammer is counting plants.
    • RenaRd is busy with his magnum opus, i.e.; organizing his vast music collection. If only the pigeons wouldn’t interfere…
    • Virus is great at organizing work events ;)
    • Some snails went missing but re-appeared, others seem to be lost and are strongly encouraged to report about their whereabouts…
    • pizza toppings are a fun thing to talk about


    Have fun in this new home!

    Verfasser Wik (237414)  06 Aug. 22, 18:17

    Thanks for moving us to our new shell.

    #1Verfasser Pottkieker (871812) 06 Aug. 22, 20:35

    Virus is great at organizing work events ;)

    ... and not so much about remembering having mentioned something like that... 😉 The bigger topic was to organise this family-together. How would you call the German "einen Sack Flöhe hüten" in English? That was exactly how it was. (My working group consists only of 5 persons. The *Surname* family could be at least around 20 people. See?) At last we were 9 out of 20.

    Thanks a lot for the new shell! Dinner is simmering on the stove and so I've stolen some minutes for the forum.

    #2Verfasser virus (343741) 07 Aug. 22, 20:09

    Thanks a lot for the new shell, WIK, and the list of topics. I’m lookimg forward to reading more exciting news about journeys and meetings and personal highlights. I hope many more snails will be gathering around the camp fire to tell their stories.


    It must be great, virus, to be part of a huge family, though arduous sometimes. From my family no one is left, and Mrs RenaRd has only one sister-in-law with four children and a (to me) unknown amount of grand children. We hardly ever meet, except for a nephew who visits us regularly.

    #3Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 09 Aug. 22, 11:06

    Don't let me open that can of worms, RenaRd. My family has so many branches... Due to several divorces from my side (father's and mother's) and due to the nice and big family of my husband's. To speak only of my part: I have 5 "half"-siblings, none of them being a "full" sister or brother (two brothers, three sisters - and I never use "half"). I grew up with the only son of my father's. I use to say that I don't have a family tree but a family scrub. At least I have 4 nieces and 2 nephews... (if I count my husband's nieces and nephews it's 9 nieces and 7 nephews.)

    When it comes to the famliy of my husband's: I was introduced to them at the wedding party of his younger brother, having all (he has three) siblings and their children there, and including aunts and uncles. Then a lot of friends - it was a big party. This was 24 years ago.

    #4Verfasser virus (343741) 10 Aug. 22, 07:32

    I'm back home, after a lovely week of sea and sunshine. We were in our favourite area, around Kenmare in County Kerry, and got the best of weather. Not a cloud in the sky, and up to 30 degrees.

    Wikling discovered bodyboarding, which is essentially surfing the waves with the body on a small board. She loved it so much that we had to physically drag her out of the water after a few hours. And then she fell asleep in the car on the way back to the hotel.

    We went dolphin watching, but dolphins, other whales and basking sharks didn't want to be watched, so it was just a very enjoyable and scenic boat trip.

    One night we went to a fancy restaurant to celebrate our wedding anniversary. Mrs Wik chose the restaurant (she had been there before), and it was hands down the best meal I've ever had.

    The weather turned yesterday, we are back at Irish summer temperatures of 20 degrees, and rain. It had been very dry, so a bit of rain will be good. I need to look at doing more seeding and planting in the garden, as most of my salad crops are very much at the end of their lifecycle, and start to taste a bit bitter. And I'm in with a good chance of harvesting tomatoes this year, the plants have survived the dry spell, and the first fruits are turning yellowish.

    Edit: I’m feeling a bit lonely in this shell, is the new home not nice enough?

    #5Verfasser Wik (237414)  15 Aug. 22, 08:13

    *keeping Wik a little company*

    We are having a rainy day for the first time in weeks and weeks. 31 l per sqm since last night, and it still goes on. I can practically see the joy and relief of the trees and plants in the garden.

    Otherwise, I had a few lovely days with my two oldest girlfriends - one of them recently moved to Metzingen, a small city nearby, so we spent most of the time there, exploring her new "hood". Metzingen is a very interesting city in two very different parts...one is a typical Swabian Kleinstadt, beschaulich, picturesque, with cosy little shops, inns and restaurants. We had two lovely dinners sitting on the square in the evening, one with Swabian and one with Italian food, happily doing people-watching.

    The other part is the world famous "Outlet City", a huge shopping city with I think more than one hundred shops - high end fashion shops like Boss etc (Boss was the first factory outlet there several decades ago, from which it all developed), sports shops, shoe shops, perfumes, bags whatever, but nowadays also sweet shops (Lindt, Haribo, Bahlsen etc), houseware, toys, etc. etc. The customers from China and Japan are still largely missing after Corona, but all the same, it's very international, and the locals are clearly a minority in that part. We walked around window-shopping and enjoying the atmosphere....and then went back happily to the cosy old city centre. My friend lives very close to the center, 5 minutes walk from "everything" which fits really well for her (she's nearing her seventies) as a place to stay for the rest of her life - she says, she won't move anywhere else any more. She moved so many times in her life, she's had enough of that.

    #6Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  19 Aug. 22, 16:08

    Since I’m often the one trying to persuade rare visitors to stay I feel obliged to leave my project and keep the thread going by writing something.

    ++BREAKING News++

    While I Wrote the above declaration of intent Goldammer forestalled me. Fine. So I can go back to work (and that’s what it is, listening to hundreds of songs each day that others may have liked but I still don’t).


    #7Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 19 Aug. 22, 16:27

    I do admire your patience and stamina with your project, RenaRd!

    #8Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 19 Aug. 22, 16:51

    Okay-okay-okay. After reading the recent postings I guess I’m going to stay for a while and utter something as well. :o)


    @ virus: I see. And of course I’ve heard about scuffle between siblings, and I warched lots heartwarming of road movies about quarreling brothers trying to find together again. Didn’t you have a family meeting last year? I recall your were looking for accommodation but not how the party ended. It wasn’t that crowded, was it?


    How lucky you’ve been, WIK, to spend a real hot summer in Kerry. I’ve told you already that I love the area. I stopped at “Wedding Anniversary” and couldn’t detect a date. It obviously was one that ought to be celebtated.

    As my wife told me shortly before midnight on our way to bed, I had forgotten our’s a week ago. I’m not to blame, I told her, for I can’t read dates anymore.


    Goldammer, you’re one of the true ones. Thanks for that. As to Metzingen I’ve got to admit that I’ve never been in the old village. In the early eighties I had to commute between the Heidelberg area and Biberach, and crossing Metzingen was not only a short cut, it also afforded the opportunity to visit BOSS®: Glorious times, then! Often enough you could find a parking lot right in front of the entrance. I only had to go inside, grab a nice (and affordable) suit or coat, and pay. No trying on, the size 52 always fit. Every client knew that it was cheap because it was last year’s design, but who cared?


    OMG, it took ne almost an hour to write and correct these few lines That’s it for today.

    #9Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  19 Aug. 22, 18:11

    Well, I live in the neighborhood of Metzingen and haven't taken the time to spend a little time in Metzingen, either, RenaRd! I think I briefly was at a Christmas Market some years ago, but didn't get an impression of the flair then.

    I didn't spend time at the Outlet City before, either, ever. I went there once or twice to get something specific (a suit for Mr Goldammer before our silver wedding anniversary which we celebrated with family and friends, and a pair of Adidas shoes for myself). So, taking time in Metzingen was a first for me, too.

    Your way of buying a Boss suit reminds me of a comedy program I saw on stage a few years ago, since the comedian (Klaus Birk, just in case anyone has come across him) was a schoolmate of myself. He asked how many words a Swabian customer needed to buy a pair of trousers - exactly two. He goes into the shop and says "Hos!", and then goes to the cash desk and says "Zahla!" (short for "bezahlen" - pay)and that's it.

    #10Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  19 Aug. 22, 20:15

    Didn’t you have a family meeting last year? I recall your were looking for accommodation but not how the party ended. It wasn’t that crowded, was it?

    RenaRd, no, the meeting this year was actually in planning for a long time (last time before we met was in October 2019 when my last uncle was - err - interred (his urn was buried). There we decided to have a meeting again, trying to continue a "tradition" of family-togethers (there was no regular timing) which the brothers, in particular my father, had started. And then, with the pandemic, my very busy cousin (who was in charge) etc. etc. it only took place this year.

    Between us siblings there is no scuffle at all, fortunately. And he next family meeting might take place in Sardinia... (my sister and her husband have a house there)

    #11Verfasser virus (343741) 19 Aug. 22, 23:23

    Why, there’s still life in here? Great!

    virus: Sardinia ranks on my personal travel list well above Paris, I have heard and read do many nice things. Should be something to look forward to, whenever this family meeting is happening.

    RenaRd: I admire your dedication to the grand project. I’ve been a bit uninspired lately (the snails following me on i******m can certainly vouch for that). But hey, I’m looking at a potential new job starting soon, so this will give me a new buzz and a bit of creative energy. One can get bogged down a bit…

    County Kerry (and the neighbouring areas of West Cork) are my favourite part of the world. We are still dreaming of moving there, one day in the near future.

    I’ve never been to Metzingen, but we have an outlet center down the motorway, about 25 km away. A great place to snap up discounted merchandise from global brands, including a great B**s store.

    But since my weight loss program is on track, I hope to fit into my wedding suit (by B**s) again in about 6 weeks time, unless progress slows down.

    Goldammer, the promised seeds are ready for dispatch, could you send me your address via pm?

    #12Verfasser Wik (237414) 20 Aug. 22, 08:07

    Well, I've been once to Sardinia but "only" by sailing boat so we didn't see a lot of the island except the bays and havens. We aslo sailed north to Korsika one day and climbed up to the old town of Bonifacio - very nice.

    But since my weight loss program is on track, I hope to fit into my wedding suit (by B**s) again in about 6 weeks time, unless progress slows down.

    I should run a program like this as well. Not to fit into my wedding dress (beware! I was pregnant, 9th month!) but into some of my favourite dresses / trousers (actually, I gave them away. The best treat after achieving a certain goal would be to by new clothes, no?).

    #13Verfasser virus (343741) 20 Aug. 22, 10:35

    The best treat after achieving a certain goal would be to by new clothes, no?

    Au contraire, dear virus, au contraire...

    I am one of these man who hate to go clothes-shopping. A major driver for losing weight for me is (other than the health aspect) that I can actually wear older things again, so that I don't need to go shopping...

    But hey, I'm cutting out my snacks in between meals, and have drastically reduced my alcohol intake, and it's starting to show. Also, going for long walks with The Dog (TM) is positive. A belt I bought in 2019 needs to get new holes, cause it's too wide now, and some of the recently bought pants are getting a bit... roomy? Still, some way to go, but it's a good path to be trotting on :)

    #14Verfasser Wik (237414)  20 Aug. 22, 12:04

    @Goldammer: RE RE I do admire your patience

    No need to admire anything. I like challenges, but there are only little challengers left to be taken. More and more I feel time’s running away – the time my sight is good enough for PC-work and the time of my life itself. Hence I’m in a hurry, not willing to split my precious time. As soon as my review is done and the relevant parts (“Best of”) of my songs in store are copied on the mp2-players I may relax and look for another task. But there aren’t (I’m tempted to write “ain’t” but back off in memory of hm—hs’ scolding long ago) many tasks left I’d be able to fulfill. I’m no longer the man you got to know when you and Robert visited me in 2015. And when the times get worse and most probably disable me to leave my bed, I’ll hopefully still be able to listen to the music I loved my whole life.

    On the other hand, who knows? I’ve already surpassed the lifespan the statistics had predicted for my kind of lung disease

    @ WIK:RE I don't need to go shopping...                                                                                     

    If I had had the choice I would have preferred a career as singer or writer. In fact I sang for a band a while and wrote short stories and poems, but I’ve been pushed towards a business career. So I had to wear suits practically from the first day on. Altogether I was a salesman, whether on my own or in a company. As such I had to wear a suit and a tie (tightly knot, of course). I still, like most men, hate shopping. But with the years I learned to love fine cloth and material. And silk neckties; I felt naked without a tie. Holding my weight (and size of clothes) for thirty years helped to go into a shop, look for size and colour, touch the fabric and come to a decision quickly. Well, more or less. :o)


    #15Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  20 Aug. 22, 17:11

    Thank you for the new shell, Wik. It’s very comfy and most welcoming. However, I’ve been away for rather longer than planned due to an enforced holiday extension in Italy…without WiFi. So I’ve read along but couldn’t post.

    And I don’t really have much to relate, either, as our sightseeing and visiting time was cut in half. We visited one lovely museum, dedicated to diaries. The founder thought that everyone who feels strongly enough about what happens to them to write about it, deserves to have their account preserved and cherished. And over the last several decades people have donated their own as well as other people’s diaries (and correspondences) a number of which have been published. And it was very well made, with images and readings, and we had a very interesting and engaged guide.

    Virus, your family reunion sounds like a delightful occasion.

    I think I mentioned my cousins have been having informal holidays together between Ascension and Whitsun for some years? We joined in for the first time this year, and it was so pleasant that we’re definitely hoping to go again next year. (Everybody arranges for themselves, and then all those who are there at any one time arrange get-togethers here and there; it was SO relaxed and utterly enjoyable.)

    I’m with you, Wik, on the clothing question. I’ve got lots of nice clothes I would like to fit into again (sadly the ’rona only took a couple of pounds off me), and that’s one of my main motivations for counting the calories!

    Having read several books on textile production and its social and environmental impact recently, I am now entirely opposed to buying more clothes unless absolutely necessary, although I do make an exception if they are second hand. Also I’ve got several cupboards full of a variety of fabrics – apologies if I’ve said this before – that I should turn into something wearable or otherwise usable, really. Hm, maybe when I retire…

    #16Verfasser Jabonah (874310) 20 Aug. 22, 21:48

    Obviously, there is a clear distinction between men and women (where are they? Please come and support this hypothesis!) here when it comes to buying clothes. I am far away from being a shopping queen (actually, I hate shopping if I have to look for something special), I usually "find" something I like when I'm not looking for it. 😉

    #17Verfasser virus (343741)  21 Aug. 22, 09:00

    Well, I'm not particularly fond of clothes shopping. I didn't suffer a bit during Corona when I couldn't go for some time. In fact, I think it was some time in spring this year when I first bought something new to wear, since March 2020 when Corona began.

    My mother was extremely practical about buying clothes. Her main preferences were: is it practical? Can it be washed easily? Easy to iron, i.e. not a "Bügelmonster"? Will it keep for a few years? Then...long time nothing, and then maybe: is it nice? Does it look well on me? (Well, maybe this is slightly exaggerated, if I think about it...of course she would try to buy nice things that looked well - but never ever when they didn't meet the above criteria, too)

    It took me a long time to distance myself a bit from this approach and allow myself a bit more freedom and fun with buying clothes. Among other things, like virus, I allow myself nowadays to "find" somethingn when I don't look for it - recently I found a lovely linen dress and bought it spontaneously - althouth 100 Euro is above what I usually spend spontaneously. It was certainly the right decision: although I'm usually more a jeans/trousers wearing person, I practically lived in that dress during the recent heat period.

    I have two close friends with whom I enjoy shopping - we meet about once or twice a year, they are the ones with whom I was in the Outlet Center in Metzingen recently - but then, as I said, we didn't find anything we liked enough to buy it.

    I have some things I have been wearing for years and years and still like them. They aren't too "special" in their style, so, although they may not be the latest trend (which often enough I'm not up to date with, anyway), they are still wearable.

    RenaRd, thanks for explaining the background of your project - it helped me to understand your dedication to it. I think this is a very essential "skill" with getting old: finding the things that one is still dedicated to, still able to do them - and then going ahead doing them. (And I can hardly believe that it should be seven years since my visit to Biberach with Robert--US....)

    #18Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  21 Aug. 22, 11:15

    Vielen Dank für das neue Häusle, Wik. Das hast du sehr gut eingerichtet.

    Für mich hat das neue Schuljahr schon angefangen. Ich wohne in einem anderen Schulbezirk, und in meiner Kleinstadt wurde der Anfang des Schuljahrs um gut zwei Wochen verschoben, denn eine Grundschule bekommt eine neue Anbau (die Hälfte der Schule, eigentlich die ursprüngliche Schule wurde zuerst abgerissen, nachdem Asbest entfernt wurde), und die Bauausführung hinkt etwas. Besagte Schule liegt fast direkt hinter unserem Haus, d.h. wir durften den ganzen Sommer hindurch den Lärm, Staub und Bauverkehr genießen. Im Juli wurde jeden Tag gearbeitet (auch sonntags!) und die Arbeit hat um 7 Uhr angefangen und im August durften wir sogar bis 21 Uhr alles miterleben. Am Abend bevor ich in die Schule musste, wurde um 20.40 das Haus durch das Stampfen der Erde noch gerüttelt.

    Was gibt's noch zu erzählen? Das neue Schuljahr ist etwa 500% besser als im vorigen Jahr angefangen. Ich weiß, dass wir noch den sogenannten Honigmond genießen, aber letztes Jahr haben wir gar keinen gemerkt und das ganze Jahr war extrem chaotisch und stressig. Viele erfahrene Lehrkräfte haben mehrmals gesagt, das Jahr war das schwierigste der beruflichen Laufbahn, eine größere Herausforderung als das erste Jahr der Pandemie. Für mich als "neue" Lehrerin in der Schule war das Jahr vielleicht drei mal so schlimm.

    Was gibt's neues im Garten? Die Blumen gedeihen. Die Sonnenblumen locken viele Bienen und Goldzeisige an. Das Gemüse ist nicht so toll, da ich die Beete spät bepflanzten. Der größte Erfolg hatte ich mit den Bohnen, bis ein böses Murmeltier das Gemüsebuffet entdeckte, und sich satt an die Bohnenblätter gefressen hat. Süßkartoffel- und Rote-Beteblätter mag es auch. Zum Glück aber weder Paprika noch Petersilie (!) noch Auberginen findet das Tier so lecker.

    Bonnie hat das Murmeltier ein paar mal hinterhergejagt, aber sie ist so klein, dass ich sie einmal weg vom Murmeltierbau tragen musste. Sie weiß, dass sie den Garten vor Enten, Kaninchen und Murmeltieren schützen muss, also muss ich sie manchmal ablenken (d.h. mit ihr eine Spazierfahrt machen), sonst bellt sie zum Verzweifeln.

    Tja, unsere Tochter macht Fortschritte, aber das Projekt verlangt viel Geduld und Ausdauer. Ich weiß, so ist es mit allen Kindern, aber wenn jemand siebzehnjahrelang so viele schlechte Erfahrungen gemacht hat, sind die Herausforderungen halt anders. Mit ihr haben wir zum ersten mal Blaubeeren gepflückt und anschließend beim Italiener gegessen. Das ist nur das zweite mal seit März 2020, dass wir im Restaurant gegessen haben. Das letzte mal war im Juli 2020. Wir hatten eigentlich vor, das Essen zu bestellen und dann mitnehmen, aber um 14.30 waren wir die einzigen Kunden, also haben wir es gewagt. Ich trage noch eine Maske in der Schule. Nur wenige Lehrer und Schüler machen das. Ich wollte eigentlich ohne Maske erscheinen, traue mich aber nicht dazu.

    @virus: #3 einen Sack Flöhe hüten = herd cats (ein toles Bild, nicht wahr?) / #4: a family shrub (womöglich nur ein Tippfehler)

    @RenaRd: #9 road movies about quarreling brothers trying to find together again klingt sehr nach Denglisch. Vielleicht sollte man eher trying to reconcile oder to make peace with one another nehmen. hm--us oder SD3 könnten bestimmt Besseres vorschlagen.

    @virus: #13: The best treat after achieving a certain goal would be to buy new clothes, no? *Daumen hoch zeig*

    @Wik: #14: I am one of these man who hate to go clothes-shopping. Im AE würden wir eher, "one of those men"..., aber keine Ahnung, was man in Irland oder England sagt.

    RE "going for long walks with The Dog (TM) is positive" Herr MiMi nennt das "mutually beneficial", obwohl seine Spaziergänge sind eher kurz. Gestern sind sie aber ein Stück durch den Wald gelaufen, was mich überrascht hat.

    @RenaRd: #15: (I’m tempted to write “ain’t” but back off in memory of hm—hs’ scolding long ago)  *gg*

    @Jabonah: Das Tagebuch-Museum klingt sehr interessant.

    Wie Goldammer (#18) habe ich (eher eine hosetragende Frau) neulich ein neues Kleid gekauft. Jetzt brauche ich neue Sandalen oder Schule, da ich hauptsächlich Sportschuhe oder Schuhe, die ich als "good to run in" bezeichnen. Wir hatten diese Diskussion etwa 2008, glaube ich. bluesky *vermiss* war damals eine interessierte Teilnehmerin.

    Da gibt es bestimmt mehr Korrekturen, die ich schreiben könnte, aber ich muss mich beeilen. In etwa 20 Minuten trifft sich Bonnie mit einer Freundin. Sie spielen jeden Sonntagmorgen im Park, und die zwei Hundebesitzerinnen schnacken ein bisschen.

    #19Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 21 Aug. 22, 15:41

    The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes (the "vital few" .. It is an adage of business management that "80% of sales come from 20% of clients".



    I’m so used to thinking in terms of this principle that I’d like to make clear that each time I seen to generalize (“women” e.g.) I don’t mean “all women” in the following, but “most women”, i.e. 75%-80%. Not necessarily YOU. 😛


    In Germany (imo) “shopping” is a term that is used by women when it comes to looking for nice clothes, shoes, accessories, and buy things they like. Shopping is an event, , chiefly not celebrated alone but with friends. “Einkaufen”, in English oddly enough called “shopping” as well, makes no fun at all. One buys convenience goods to survive, women buys stylish things to be admired.


    Men buy clothes or shoes when they are needed for a special occasion (a wedding ceremony e.g.), or when the old ones are rotten. There’s no fun at all in trying something on, it’s business.

    While there seems to be a magic relation between shoes and women, as everybody knows. When a man and a woman are strolling through a city HE may stop at a building lot to watch the heavy machines, or at a toy store, to watch a Caerrera™ car racing track, while SHE spell bound stares at sandals in a shoe shop window. That’s magic. My daughter once said (in other words, though) that a attentive man, when his wife is sighing “Isn’t that shoe gorgeous?” should preferably answer “Yes, Darling. Shall we go inside?” instead of “Cone on, let’s go.”


    I thought of such examples and more when virus was asking for support in #17. Men and women are different, no matter what the gender main stream profs in their ivory towers say. Though there seems to be a tendency that (some) men are getting more “womanly” and (some) girls are getting tougher and stronger. That’s fine for me. “I don’t need no gender discussion.”

    And I hope someone smiled benignly about my (slightly) satiric contribution.

    #20Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  21 Aug. 22, 17:14

    Hi, RenaRd: Ich lächele gar nicht freundlich, obwohl du natürlich denken darfst, wie du willst.

    "..each time I seem to generalize (“women” e.g.) I don’t mean “all women” in the following, but “most women”, i.e. 75%-80%. Not necessarily YOU." Na ja, okay, aber ich finde es trotzdem nicht schön (vielleicht faul?), wenn man verallgemeinert so stark. Ich finde es einfach nicht gut, wenn Kinder und Jugendliche den Eindruck bekommen, dass sie anders sein sollten, um richtig, echt oder wertvoll zu werden. Beim Thema zu bleiben, sage ich nur, um ein

    richtiger Mann oder eine echte Frau zu werden.

    Als Mädchen wurde es mir explizit gesagt, dass ich vieles nicht machen durfte und anderes machen musste, nur weil ich weiblich bin. Dieses Spielzeug (diese Kleider, diese Sportart, dieses Instrument, dieses Fach, dieser Beruf) ist nichts für dich. Hinzu kommen die vielen Andeutungen. Und die Schilderungen von Frauen in den Medien und Politik. Als Mann hast du wohl keine Ahnung wie lästig und bedrückend das sein kann.

    Selbstkorrekturen: nachdem Asbest entfernt worden war)...den Lärm, Staub und das Bauverkehr genießen... besser als das vorige Schuljahr...das Gemüsebüffet...Im AE würden wir eher, "one of those men" sagen...neue Sandalen oder Schuhe, da ich hauptsächlich Sportschuhe oder Schuhe trage, die ich als "good to run in" bezeichne.

    So, und jetzt wird gearbeitet.

    #21Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 21 Aug. 22, 17:56

    Hello Any--MiMi. It’s good to read you again. May I start with a Korrektürchen as well?:  eine Grundschule bekommt einen neue Anbau

    -> wir durften den ganzen Sommer hindurch den Lärm, Staub und Bauverkehr genießen – I didn’t know you’re able to be so sarcastic. It remeinds me of my granddaughter, who likes to use it as kind of style. She visited us for 10 days and gave me the opportunity to speak English again (she speaks AE) and worked on her C2-Test.


    She had the same impression about the last year being the worst.  To her knowledge didn’t really learn a thing because the drank too much (so they claim) and slept long, working on their laptops in their underwear. She’s going to enter the last class now and knows, this year’s courses will be even harder.


    Oh, it’s 6pm, time for diner! See you tomorrow.

    #22Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 21 Aug. 22, 18:13

    Amy-MiMi (hi again!), "scrub" was what I found in Leo for "Gestrüpp". The German word doesn't only mean "shrub" but something which is more chaotic (especially, if you happen to be tangled into a (?) scrub you'll have a hard time to get out of it. Like from blackberries!).

    #23Verfasser virus (343741) 22 Aug. 22, 09:33

    @ Any—MiMi: Follow-up of #22

    -> Als Mädchen wurde es mir explizit gesagt, dass ich vieles nicht machen durfte und anderes machen musste, nur weil ich weiblich bin .. . Als Mann hast du wohl keine Ahnung wie lästig und bedrückend das sein kann.


    Maybe I dom’t know exactly, but I recall to be exhorted “Boys don’t cry” or “Defend yourself, you’ve eaten bread as well”. I guess those antiquated educational methods are things of the past. My daughter grew up in the 70s, and we humoured her. She didn’t like skirts or playing with puppets. When the class was divided into a knitting course for the girls and a craftsmen course for the boys she decided to join the latter (she still handy with tools). We even gave her the possibility to decide which God to believe in by not baptizing he, though (influenced by our role model?) made up for it at the age of fourteen.


    You see, I wasn’t talking about “wrong parental education”, I hate how the gender discussion influences the German language: Duplication of professions (Lehrer und Lehrerinnen). Gender-asterisk in order to include GLIQ (Lehrer*innen). Omitment of male-related prefixes (Mannshcaft is a Sportgruppe now).


    As I write this: Did we discuss this before? ;o)

    #24Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  22 Aug. 22, 11:06

    As an elderly person, RenaRd, you are entitled to bemoan normal changes in language use....Mr Goldammer does that a lot, too, if about different things....I also find some changes a bit strange, and when my sons and their partners speak about certain topics, I find it difficult to follow, among other reasons because I don't know some of the vocabulary they use...

    But still I try to see it as a age-typical problem which all generations have with one another, ever. Today, the changes happen a bit quicker than in former times, that makes the process a bit more distinct...

    And I do appreciate some things, like that it has become rather normal to use both genders when speaking about mixed groups of people.

    And: I don't think that you are getting Amy-MiMi's point completely, RenaRd. It's about transporting generalizations and stereotypes - what WOMEN usually do - at least 80% of them - i.e. staring at sandals in shops. And yes, there are stereotypes about MEN as well, of course. As someone who may have suffered from messages like "boys don't cry", you could maybe think a bit about transporting stereotypes in what you communicate....I do appreciate that as a parent you worked on not making those old mistakes with your own daughter, please note that - but communicating in a thoughtful way, e.g. trying to not transport stereotypes, is another important area where we still have to do a lot in order to change our thinking and approach to the world.

    (* patiently awaiting RenaRd's reaction about being hyper-sensitive and lacking humor....*)

    Hi Amy-Mimi, how lovely to read you again! Good to hear that the new school year seems to go better....

    #25Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  22 Aug. 22, 16:45

    I spotted hm--us in another thread and just hope that she will pop in here at some point!


    #26Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 22 Aug. 22, 17:08

    @ Goldammer

    RE you are entitled to bemoan normal changes in language use

    Well, I accepted the “Rechtschreibreform” (Stange>Stängel, Muße vs. müssen, Schifffahrt, etc.) twenty years ago rather quickly,  because most of the rules were comprehensible. They followed proposals of linguists and other kindred professionals, to start at a certain time for a defined language area.                                                                                                                          


    But gender speak is “the reign of a minority (those who feel repressed, unnoticed or relegated to the fringe) over a majority of the rest of the population by yelling “Take care of my sensitivities”. The discussion is often mixed with feminism and the me-too debate. Not to forget the term of “The Old White Man”. You see, I’m sensitive, too.



    Bill Maher once said “Political correctness is the elevation of sensitivity over truth”.  Find an interview with Dr Peterson here:



    Now I’ve covered much ground without having had the opportunity to talk about this issue. I understand everyone who feels oppressed or diminished, may they be gay or lesbian or queer, whatever. Fight for your rights.  But don’t rape a whole language.


    RE not transport stereotypes, is another important area where we still have to do a lot in order to change our thinking and approach to the world

    An interesting aspect. I’ve got to think about it and may ask for more input. The stereotypic “Old White Man” is obsolete, then? ;o)

    #27Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 23 Aug. 22, 16:30

    It's about transporting generalizations and stereotypes - what WOMEN usually do - at least 80% of them - i.e. staring at sandals in shops. And yes, there are stereotypes about MEN as well, of course.(Goldammer, #25)

    This immediately reminded me of this (terrible) advertisement about a woman who shows her friends her huge walk-in shoe closet while their husbands are getting crazy about the walk-in fridge filled with (the most disgusting) beer in contrary... (for those who can stand it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DOc17BtpI4)

    #28Verfasser virus (343741) 23 Aug. 22, 18:21

    My wife has gone to visit her mom for a week, so today I‘ve been doing things I don‘t do frequently enough. Like, cutting the hedge, getting fried chicken from an ex-Wienerwald place (which wasn‘t as good as it used to be), having three Halbe of Bavarian beer and watching The Big Lebowski for the umpteenth time.

    Later this evening I‘ll explain important aspects of life, the universe and everything else to Reisegeyer, and then he and I will drift off to slumber. And tomorrow another day of special things to do is awaiting us. Will I got to Tübingen by bicycle? Will I prepare a dish of roasted onions like our son taught me to? With fried Leberkäs and mirror eggs, of course? Or will I continue to work on Reisegeyer‘s website, which I‘m building while working my way through the Wordpress tutorial?

    Stay tuned to find out, dear snails!

    #29Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  23 Aug. 22, 20:55

    Jesse, looks like you’re having a blast… I, for one badly need a bit of time on my own, but it’s another week or so before I can grab a few hours. I admit, it’s moaning on a high level.

    At the moment, we have a visitor, one of Wikling’s cousins, and the girls are having a great time, with regular fallouts and tears. They’ll both be back to school next week, so a bit of fun is ok for now. At least, school will give me a few hours in the mornings to get things done (cutting the hedge, …, maybe not having beers).

    I’m in the progress of signing up for a new permanent job, which will be a nice change from doing family work and picking up the odd contract job here and there. It will be very much computer work in the home office, and a good online dictionary might be required here and there.

    Going back to my comment about shopping for clothes: I like wearing nice clothes which are appropriate to the situation. This might be a suit, tie, shirts … or else the oldest jeans, the grubbiest hoodie, or anything in between.

    And my sense of fashion doesn’t really follow the fashion world. What I like I like, but whatever doesn’t fit this is just not for me.

    In addition, my measurements are not quite average, and never were. Even at the best of times (I used to run 30 min as a warm up before a 2h volleyball practice session, and could run 12km the next day without batting an eyelid) the average jeans were tight in some places and loose in others. So going shopping always has been rather difficult and frustrating for me.

    We still have summer, temperatures above 20 degrees in the afternoon, and rain still is way below average this year. It’s not necessarily negative, at least the tomatoes and salad leafy bits are happy, I’m looking at the planting for the coming weeks to maximise crops for October onwards. Did I mention I need a bigger garden?

    #30Verfasser Wik (237414)  23 Aug. 22, 22:12

    I love the plan of cutting hedges while someone's wife is not around. In my case it could not only be cutting hedges (or bushes or mowing the no-longer-lawn: husband) but also, with much more desire, finishing the pergola (son). He didn't even dig the holes for the poles (I'm a poet!) deep enough so far.

    We are planning a garden party for Saturday. Guess what: Today 26°C, sunny, tomorrow 28°C, sunny, Friday 26°C, cloudy in the evening, Saturday 22°C, cloudy with the chance of rain. Hmph.

    #31Verfasser virus (343741) 24 Aug. 22, 07:29

    Well, virus, how was the garden party? Heavy heads today? 😉

    Today must have been a record number of vacuum cleanings in this house. It’s still very dry, and the dog is walking in and out of the garden, and all the dry stuff gets stuck in his fur until it falls off in the house. At least, vacuuming is quick and easy. If it had rained, I’d be busy mopping all the mucky paw prints.

    I had to get my tools out today, we discovered a leak under the kitchen sink. Fortunately I was able to fix it and clean up before lasting damage was done. And I didn’t need to call the plumber again who was only here a couple of days ago for the annual heating maintenance.

    I was in the garden center as well, but not really with much success. A few shrubs, some flowers, but very few seeds for autumn/winter growing. I need to go to a different shop to get some spinach seeds, and chard wasn’t available either.

    #32Verfasser Wik (237414) 28 Aug. 22, 17:22

    Oh, hi Wik (not so much online activity yesterday...)

    The party was great. Weather was okeish, some drops of rain but most of the time it was dry. Thanks to our big tent it was no problem to survive a little rain. Cleaning up the place when everyone has left is my husband's and my attitude at all parties so for the next day it isn't too discouraging. Everyone enjoyed it a lot, so we are quite happy. Will have another one next year, not like this one only after 3 or 4 years. (Even our oldest neighbour (80++) was happy to attend, another neighbour brought her in her wheelchair and took her back home. It was quite different from always sitting in her own kitchen, alone. I am happy that we could please her.)

    And our PhD student brought her big surprise: our master student from France from the first semester of this year. Great! And the new generation of PhDs and Ex-PhDs have kids on their own now: kids' handprints on all windows, toys that have been found (we are still cleaning up - where was this ball again?) and a little mess all around - I love it.

    And then, this weekend (to be precise, Sunday and Monday) we had "Chilbi" here in our Gemeinde. (Chilbi = Kirchweih = country fair = Kirmes...). So we didn't have to cook (or grill) yesterday but went there to have a Bratwurst and a beer, to talk to all the neighbours etc. etc. It is nice to live on the countryside.

    #33Verfasser virus (343741)  29 Aug. 22, 23:16

    I made a strange experience just now, which I feel the urge to share.

    My parents used to have a weekend home in the "Welzheimer Wald" about 70km from Stuttgart. That was until 2009 when they sold it. Unfortunately, at that time they "verbummeled" to cancel the GEZ subscription (radio & TV fee). As I have taken over all administrative tasks for my mother (my father passed away in 2010) as of a year ago, I started to wonder why she pays twice the GEZ fee, which is usually €55 per quarter, but she paid €110.

    It took me some time to realize that this was not due to some specific paiment scheme, but, as mentioned above, because they had failed to notify GEZ about giving up their second home. So, as a matter of fact, they paid doubly for as long as 13 years (!!).

    A call to GEZ (not easy to get through to them) revealed that they needed a "Erweiterte Meldebescheinigung" (welcome to German bureaucracy) for my mother, which would show her current residence in Stuttgart to be the only one.

    Now, I don't know about other cities, but whenever I pass by one of the "Bürgerbüros" in Stuttgart, usually the queue extends out onto the sidewalk. So I loaded a new podcast onto my phone, armed myself with all the patience I could muster and set out to the "Bürgerbüro" in my neighbourhood.

    On arrival, there was no queue on the sidewalk. Fearing a trap, I cautiously walked inside - the hallways: empty. The waiting room: empty. However, the Bürgerbüro WAS open. So I took a number (which was indeed the next one), was called in 3-4 minutes later - and walked out with a beautiful "Erweiterte Meldebescheinigung" for my mother to the amount of €12.

    I'm pretty sure I was awake when that happened.

    So I submitted that document to GEZ (which, after all, was possible online). Only the year for leaving that residence could only be set until back to 2013..

    Now let's see what happens.

    #34Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 31 Aug. 22, 11:24

    In Reutlingen, you can book a number and time frame online for an appointment in the Bürgerbüro. This minimizes the waiting time. But even before that (it started during the Corona lockdown), I never had to wait very long there - it may happen that you have 10 or 20 or even 30 numbers before you when you walk in (I don't know, to be honest, if that is already possible again after the Corona regulations), but they have about 10 counters or more, so, the numbers are called in very quickly.

    How are the chances that you get refunded at least some of the money?

    #35Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 31 Aug. 22, 11:48

    I've no idea. I asked the guy from GEZ that question, and he said "they'll have to investigate after I submitted the cancellation".

    #36Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 31 Aug. 22, 11:59

    No. 34: Even with a second residency in Germany, one can nowadays get an exemption from GEZ dues for the Zweitwohnsitz. This is not retroactive, though.


    #37Verfasser mbshu (874725) 31 Aug. 22, 12:58

    @ WIK and virus and all the others

    Thanks for sharing your adventures. They’ve been more detailed and interesting than most of the tales that the “girls” at my wife’s daily “Kaffeekränzchen”  are telling. Mrs RenaRd takes me with her at least once a week, chiefly to make me walk a bit. It’s not that I could contribute a lot. Women among other women tend to ignore a male voice. As if it were too deep, below female radar. (I’ve been asked not to generalize, but this phenomenon happened to often to be denied. I describe this without bitterness but with a tiny smile.)


    I first recognized this phenomenon in 2007, standing at the train station opposite Friedrichshafen Airport with six women, my wife’s tennis group. We came back from Turkey, the flight was delayed, and the train to Biberach was gone. While the woman discussed whether to wait or take another route I spotted a big Taxi and said, pointing at it “Look, there’s a 7-seat Taxi. If we shared the costs it wouldn’t be too expensive.” No reply. Instead the group fetched their luggage and, like a flock of birds, went chatting back to the Airport entry. I followed and asked loudly “What about the Taxi?”, but they went on chatting. I walked to a bench nearby the taxi rank to have a cigarette-of frustration. Eventually E. saw me sitting all alone and came over. I told her about the taxi and she went “Why, that’s a good idea. Go and tell it to the others.” After objecting that they wouldn’t listen, she told them herself. A minute later everybody grabbed the luggage again, and when they were passing my bench someone said “Come on, we’re going to take a taxi that E.’s detected fortunately.”


    #38Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  31 Aug. 22, 14:41

    Great story, RenaRd! 😂

    #39Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 31 Aug. 22, 16:23

    Ach, RenaRd, I don't think this is a gender related issue, but it's a group-dynamic phenomenon.

    In both cases, it appears that you are, or were, not really part of the group, but somebody who was brought along by your wife. It's quite often the case that the group is polite and looks accepting initially, but in a stress situation (such as the missed bus), the usual group dynamic kicks in. In this situation, the outsider is easily overlooked/overheard. For the Kaffeekränzchen, you likely don't have interesting things to tell?

    virus well, that sounds like a good party, and doing at least the bulk of the clean-up just after everybody left is my approach as well.

    I have to admit, going through all those bureaucratic things in Germany is one of the points that make it unlikely that I'll ever move to Germany again.

    Wikling has settled in well in school after the holidays, so I have a few hours in the morning to do some cleaning, shopping, organising etc.

    My new employer is checking references at the moment, this always costs a bit of time, but it should be a formality. I won't start any more of the projects on my personal to-do-list before I start the new job, maybe wit the exception of doing up our home-office, once Mrs Wik decides on colours/curtains, and the usual gardening things.

    #40Verfasser Wik (237414) 31 Aug. 22, 16:27

    RE #40: At first sight, WIK your argument sounds quite comprehensible if I hadn’t known the women for years and if we hadn’t had a good time at the hotel prior to this. I claim to possess a comparably huge general knowledge (music is not my single hobby) and friends like to ask me for opinions or facts. I’d been a well accepted interlocutor in smaller groups but suddenly felt invisible and un-hearable.

    As to not being “a gender related issue“: I was a long-time member of a wine-tasting regular table, consisting of four to eight male members. Each time a woman known to one of us dropped in we asked her to stay and invited her (which includied paying for her, even if they came more often) and listened to her, glad about new topics or rumors. You may object it was simply machismo. I tend to old fashioned courtesy and curiosity. NOM.


    At my wife’s get-together I leaned to change my tactic: I address my words to a single person, and often others join in. :o)

    #41Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  02 Sep. 22, 09:52

    #41 RenaRd, I had to laugh here, because:

    At my wife’s get-together I leaned to change my tactic: I address my words to a single person, and often others join in.

    is just the text book approach to break through the group dynamic I mentioned.

    Now, I don't know the specific situation and dynamic you are describing, but a lot of this resonates with hypotheses and approaches I have rejected initially (these "communication workshops one is signed up in big companies), but did accept later, as I have noticed that a lot of the ideas behind them are actually very helpful.

    Nevertheless, we might agree to disagree, in a friendly atmosphere.


    We are expecting a lot of rain in the coming 48 hours, with flood warnings (not applicable to us, thankfully), and fairly miserable conditions forecast. The rain is welcome, it's been very dry, as longs as we get a bit more sunshine afterwards, since the majority of my precious tomato crop is still in the process of ripening.

    I'm sorry for the festival fans, the iconic Electric Picnic festival in Ireland is on this weekend, after a long break due to Covid. It looks like most of it might in jeopardy due to the rain.


    Mrs Wik bought some books a while ago, and I got to reading “The Twyford Code” by Janice Hallett. The writing style is very unusual, and a bit challenging in the beginning, but it’s a rather enjoyable read. If you have a spare few hours, this is a good brain teaser. Note: I’m not sure how well this translate into German, and one wants to be familiar with some British slang in the original version, but I found it rather captivating, after the first pages of ???

    #42Verfasser Wik (237414) 02 Sep. 22, 18:20

    Just read this on LinkedIn: "Every time I have a programming question an I really need help, I post it on Reddit an d then log into another account and reply with an obscenely incorrect answer. People often don't care about helping others, but they LOVE correcting others. Works 100% of the time."

    Maybe it's worth trying this for LEO, as well. Having said that, it needs to be pointed out that LEO users in general are very helpful without such strategies being used on them.

    #43Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 11 Sep. 22, 14:57
    Reminds me of that old joke:
    “Oh, why don’t you come to bed darling, it’s 2am!”
    “I can’t. Somebody wrote something wrong… on the internet!!!”

    I’m sitting at home, incapacitated, due to injury. I twisted my ankle while walking the dog on Saturday morning, and in the beginning it didn’t seem too bad. But it’s gotten a good deal worse, probably due to me not taking it easy initially.
    Ah well, it’s raining cats and dogs, so staying inside is probably not a bad idea.
    #44Verfasser Wik (237414) 11 Sep. 22, 15:30

    Wik, maybe you should have rode the dog instead... 😉

    Get well soon!

    #45Verfasser virus (343741) 13 Sep. 22, 13:02
    Well, it got worse, and yesterday Mrs Wik insisted I see a doctor. An x-ray revealed that there is a fracture, but according to the doctor a rather unusual one, and I was referred to a specialist (the appointment is for next week, the earliest I could get).
    So I’m sitting here on the couch, with a protective boot on my leg, crutches next to me.
    Not sure how I will be able to start my new job in 3 weeks, as I doubt I’ll be able to drive.
    #46Verfasser Wik (237414) 13 Sep. 22, 13:22

    Oh well Wik, that sounds really frustrating!! I keep my fingers crossed....somehow, I think there must or at least might be solutions for you to be brought into a state where you can drive a car within three weeks from now, don't you?

    #47Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 14 Sep. 22, 07:51

    Ouch - all the best for you ankle, Wik!

    #48Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 14 Sep. 22, 08:42

    I just talked to my future boss, and she wants me to start asap, even if that means that they need to send a laptop by post. It seems there is a lot of stuff they want me to do before the year is over.

    Sure, that's what I have signed up for.

    With regards to driving, Goldammer, the company building is about 2 hours away by car. Unless I get another cast for my foot, it is nearly impossible to hit accelerator or break without getting into trouble. I might have to risk it for a short drive at low speed in a few weeks' time, but not for two hours on the motorway. It will be interesting to see what the final verdict by the doctors on this fracture is.

    I have the feeling a broken arm would be less impeding, but there is absolutely no desire to confirm this feeling in a real life experiment.

    I need to go on the hunt for some "classy" books (something like a Vatican conspiracy thriller, or similar drivel) to keep me entertained now. Any suggestions would be willingly taken into consideration.


    #49Verfasser Wik (237414) 14 Sep. 22, 13:54

    I wouldn't risk driving with a cast on my right foot even for a short distance. If you have an accident, even if it's not your fault, you'll be in big trouble with your insurance.

    But it DID have to be the right foot, on top of everyhing else? You wouldn't settle for breaking the left one?

    As for books, I don't know if you're into SF and, if so, if you know the Amazon Prime series "The Expanse". I never watched it, but a friend lent me the first volume of the book (out of nine volumes), and after 60 pages I'm already hooked.

    #50Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  14 Sep. 22, 14:30

    Obviously driving only with doctor's permission and with a different type of cast. But even if I had that, I wouldn't go for a longer trip at high speed. It's not worth the risk.

    But it DID have to be the right foot, on top of everyhing else? You wouldn't settle for breaking the left one?

    I'm known for doing things properly, no half-baked things. The timing is point on as well, Mrs Wik was supposed to be on-site for the whole week to deal with some important people, but obviously had to stay home to keep things going here with Wikling (and the dog).

    SF, not a fan, but I might look into it. Thank you!

    #51Verfasser Wik (237414) 14 Sep. 22, 16:57

    Okay, I didn't think it was such a long drive. That won't be an option then...starting a job via home office isn't what one wishes for, but better than nothing anyway.

    Re reading matter: Do you read crime stories? One of my all-time-favorite series are the Canadian crime stories by Louise Penny with inspector Gamache. You would have to read them in the right order, because besides the story in each one, there's a kind of background plot which develops over the whole series.

    #52Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 14 Sep. 22, 21:52

    Wik, if you can cope with countless popes called alternately by their German, Italian and Latin Name, you could give "Sixtinische Verschwörung" by Philipp Vandenberg a try.

    #53Verfasser Pottkieker (871812) 15 Sep. 22, 08:01

    One of my all-time-favorite series are the Canadian crime stories by Louise Penny with inspector Gamache. You would have to read them in the right order, because besides the story in each one, there's a kind of background plot which develops over the whole series.

    Love it! I've read nearly all of them, so far which have been translated into German. What puzzled me in the beginning was that there are two different titles in German for the same volume, it was one or two of the first ones. People are so nice, weird, individual etc. etc., most appreciated the always polite, charming and wise character* of Inspector Gamache.

    *Do both meanings apply here? Character = German Charakter and character = German Romanfigur (can't think of another German word besides Protagonist...)

    #54Verfasser virus (343741)  15 Sep. 22, 12:00

    Oh, how nice to find someone who knows and likes the series, virus! Why don't you read them in the English original version? I usually devour any newcoming sequel in a day or two...

    #55Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 15 Sep. 22, 14:07

    I will probably start to read the English original - especially as not all of them have been translated yet. I would love to visit Three Pines, have a nice coffee or tea or something "stronger" in Oliviers bistro, sitting in front of the fireplace and watching Ruth with her duck...

    #56Verfasser virus (343741)  15 Sep. 22, 14:44

    ....and eating crunchy, flaky croissants.....

    #57Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 15 Sep. 22, 18:35

    I just read about your misfortune, WIK, as I’m still distracted by my project. How could you break your ankle by walking the dog? I can’t imagine your dog plled so hard you stumbled and fell.  Unless it felt that you are about to leave him for something you love more (Do dogs know jealousy?). Well I understood that you’ve been offered to work on a home-office basis.  Besides the pain you’re handicapped in many ways momentarily, so I hope there’s someone to comfort you and care for you. I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

    #58Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 17 Sep. 22, 16:42

    RenaRd, the dog just needs to smell something interesting in the wrong moment and he''ll send you straight to the floor. A neighbour of mine is still struggeling with the remainders of the injuries she suffered more than a year later.

    #59Verfasser Pottkieker (871812) 17 Sep. 22, 16:57

    Well, Pottkieker, to be honest – I was joking.  If I remember it right the doggy is just a few months old, mot yet in his awkward age, and is too small, anyway, to pull a man down. 😛

    #60Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 17 Sep. 22, 17:15
    Oh RenaRd, even a small dog can pull quite a bit if it wants to get somewhere. But no, Toby (btw, he is named after the dog used by Sherlock Homes in “The Sign of the Four”) wouldn’t be strong enough to pull me down. I must have misjudged the curb (it was wet and there were some fallen leaves), and maybe the dog pulled at an unexpected moment, I don’t know. Anyway, my foot landed awkwardly and slipped off the curb onto the road. That must have done the damage.

    Thank you for the book recommendations, I’ll look into them.

    BTW, “crunchy” usually is not a good quality parameter for a croissant. Crunchy entails a degree of hardness, e.g., like a piece of stale bread. Crispy is a better description for a nice fresh croissant, and flakey is good as well. Or maybe that’s just food science speak…

    It was rather cold during the night, down to 3 degrees. The sun is shining now, it’s a bright day, and a shame I can’t do any gardening or even go for a walk.
    Well, I hope you all enjoy your Sunday
    #61Verfasser Wik (237414) 18 Sep. 22, 11:47

    I had a feeling about crunchy in relation to a croissant...but crispy wouldn't come to me. Thanks!

    When those croissants will be mentioned next time (I'm too lazy to look them up in the books I've already read - I read them as e-books which makes scrolling through a book a bit awquard, one of the very few disadvantages of e-books...) I will see what Penny herself says about them.

    Night temperatures are still around 10° here - so we are still sleeping outdoors with our deep-winter-duvets. But I've got a feeling that moving back indoors won't be too long....although as every year, we will miss the fresh air around our noses very much....

    (can one say "deep winter" ?)

    #62Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  18 Sep. 22, 16:28

    Wow, einige Zeit war wenig los, und plötzlich halte ich nicht mehr mit.

    Korrektürchen für virus (#45): maybe you should have ridden the dog instead... 😉

    Bonnie hat mich ein paar mal vor einem Fall gerettet, indem ich rutschte aus, auf der Leine zog und sie genug Gewicht hatte, dass ich nicht hingefallen bin. Ja, aber leider geht es manchmal auch umgekehrt. Ich wünsche dir eine schnelle Genesung, Wik.

    Gerade lese ich Radium Girls von Kate Moore. Ich hatte den Film schon gesehen, sah aber neulich das Buch in unserem kleinen nicht so dangerösen Buchhandlung und blätterte es durch. Nicht mitbekommen hatte ich, dass auch Mädchen und Frauen in Ottawa, Illinois durch Radium vergiftet worden sind. Ottawa kenne ich, da diese Kleinstadt auf dem Fahrtweg nach Iowa liegt, wusste aber nicht, dass diese Stadt eine Superfund Site ist https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/cs... und viele Frauen der Stadt an einer Radiumvergiftung gestorben sind. Demnächst möchte ich den Dokumentarfilm Radium City sehen: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0284691/ Das nächste Mal, wenn ich in Ottawa eine Pause einlege, schaue ich mir das Radium Girls Denkmal an.

    Hier ein interessanter Bericht, der die Geschichte von Radium Dial in Ottawa handelt. https://www.nprillinois.org/equity-justice/20... Ich wusste auch nicht, dass die Firma Westclox, deren Uhren die Fabrikarbeiterinnen bemalten, in Peru, Illinois ihren Sitz hatte.

    Hier haben wir noch Sommertemperaturen: um 20 Uhr noch 26 Grad, Tageshöchsttemperatur 30 Grad, Tiefsttemperatur heute in der Nacht 19,5 Grad. Am Wochenende laufe noch in kurzen Hosen rum.

    Tut mir leid, dass ich nicht alles gelesen habe.

    RE deep winter: Im Prinzip geht das ja, aber ich weiß nicht ganz. Im Internet scheint das hauptsächlich irgendwas mit Farben zu tun zu haben. Keine Ahnung wie das heißt im Deutschen, es geht darum, dass Frauen Kleidung und Schminke in bestimmten Farben tragen sollen.

    #63Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989)  19 Sep. 22, 02:03

    I will respond to some things in your post later, Amy-MiMi!

    On my way to bed, I wanted to share a little thing I realized today: I'm re-reading "Watership Down" at the moment - after decades; I read it once in my twenties, I think. Besides the story itself, I really enjoy the botanical details (so many plants and flowers are described - I often have to look up their names so I know what they are) and the landscape descriptions a lot. And what I realized: the German title of the book "Unten am Fluss", is clearly a false-friend-type of literal translation - only that "down" in the book doesn't mean low, but on the contrary, a landscape of hills!

    This was my Contribution of the Day. Sleep well, everybody, in your Bettgestell.

    (First night indoors for us today, I transferred our beds because it's really getting chilly and Mr Goldammer has caught a cold)

    #64Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  21 Sep. 22, 22:57

    @Goldammer: Als Jugendliche habe ich das Buch angefangen, aber ich habe es nicht ausgelesen. Womöglich war das zum damaligen Zeitpunkt nicht der richtige Lesestoff für mich. Außerdem dachte ich vom Titel her, dass das Buch mit der Versenkung eines Schiffes zu tun hatte.

    #65Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 22 Sep. 22, 14:47

    It seems that all the well-wishing has worked. I had my appointment with the consultant yesterday, who threw the initial diagnosis out of the window, assured me there is nothing broken, and I'll be fully recovered middle of next week. I had my suspicions about the broken leg, but I had learned at home to not argue with medical doctors.

    I read Watership Down ages ago. I don't remember much, it clearly didn't make a big impression.

    All the other book recommendations are on hold. Mrs Wik went to a book shop and brought back some books she thought might be entertaining. Amongst them the third part of Richard Osman's The Thursday Murder Club. Jabonah, if you peek in here, I wouldn't really recommend it, the story is rather odd.

    Amy-MiMi, I hope the new school year is going easier than the previous one?

    #66Verfasser Wik (237414) 23 Sep. 22, 11:51

    I must say, Wik, I'm wondering a bit how it can happen with all the modern diagnostic tools to say a leg is broken (or an ankle, or what it was supposed to be) and then two weeks later find out that it isn't broken after all...I mean, I'm really happy for you, it makes things a lot easier in every respect, but come on! Seriously!!!

    Amy-MiMi, maybe you should give Watership Down another try! I really enjoy it (despite the fact that it of course transports the old pattern that only the male characters are doing something to keep the story going....)


    Bonnie hat mich ein paar mal vor einem Fall gerettet, indem ich rutschte aus, auf der Leine zog und sie genug Gewicht hatte, dass ich nicht hingefallen bin. - is understandable but somehow twisted. I think I'd put the whole thing a bit differently:

    Bonnie hat mich ein paarmal (written together, says "Duden - Richtiges und gutes Deutsch" - I had a feeling but couldn't tell you why) vor einem Sturz *) gerettet, als ich ausgerutscht bin, die Leine sich dabei straffte und Bonnie genug Gegengewicht hatte, dass ich nicht hingefallen bin. Something like that.

    *) The noun is definitely Sturz although the verb is hinfallen - mean, I know.

    Deep winter: what I wanted to express is "in the middle of winter when the temperatures are really low". How would you say that, then? "mid-winter-duvet"?

    #67Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  24 Sep. 22, 17:20

    I am indeed still here and reading along from time to time...this year just doesn’t let up, and I’m not able to write as much as I would like.

    I haven’t read Watership Down, but saw parts of the film once (and was surprised to find it was about rabbits), and it seemed very sad and didn’t really inspire me to read the book...

    Louise Penny sounds interesting, and I saw that the local library has book 1...this was last Friday afternoon, but when I went in on Saturday morning, it had gone. I have now reserved it and will let you know what I think! And Wik, I have already read the third volume of the Thursday Murder Club and totally agree with you. While it is still a good book (certainly better than all the mysteries I’ve read since the second volume), it has rather lost the almost Wodehousean spark of unhurried genius that distinguishes the first volume. I see that Mr Osman is planning three more books in this series, and then another series after that, and I am tempted to comment on each of the announcements that he should please take his time and see if he can come up with something as spectacular as his first offering!

    #68Verfasser Jabonah (874310) 24 Sep. 22, 17:41

    Goldammer, it's rather baffling, alright. Maybe the doctor seeing me first had a bad day, or just didn't want to make an effort after the x-rays. But I have already mentioned that the Irish health system (very different from the German one) leaves much to be desired, even if you have premium private health insurance.

    Anyway, I'm getting things back in order now, and so far so good.

    #69Verfasser Wik (237414) 26 Sep. 22, 09:49

    Korrektürchen für virus (#45): maybe you should have ridden the dog instead... 😉 (Amy.MiMi, #63)

    My irregular verbs! I should know better... We had an English teacher who asked this kind of vocabulary list every Tuesday morning. This was the procedure: The week before he gave a new list to us to learn until next week (like 15-20 verbs). In the morning, before starting the "normal" lesson, he picked one pupil to be examined. The worst was: If ihe picked YOU last week you couldn't be sure to be spared this week... So, we all were quite good at it! (Loong ago....)

    #70Verfasser virus (343741) 26 Sep. 22, 19:27

    @ WIK: I’m glad to read that everything's moving along as usual, as far as your ankle is concerned. I’m still Curies regarding your new job. You mentioned above, that “the company building is about 2 hours away by car”, so I don’t assume you’re going to commute there day by day. Are you willing to talk about it, or am I too nosy?




    You’re quarreling with irregular verbs, virus? Well, I’ve made a list, anExcel™ sheet, during the last fifteen years or so of each English word I read not being part of my active vocabulary. The list still contains over 500 words, (most of them verbs and adjectives) I still don’t use. Once in a while I open the file, but I hardly learned 10% of them.

    I imagine our brain has a kind of spill-over – as we learn something new, something old has to make room-. :D



    #71Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 27 Sep. 22, 17:25

    Oh, no, I don't see this as being nosy, since I already shared a good bit.

    I will be working for a non-for-profit company, set up to promote small scale food production and food culture in the West of Ireland.

    My primary job is to make funding available, by means of EU (and, less so, national) grants to the company, and to manage the projects, so that all deliverables are achieved and appropriately documented. Some research, some application, and also some passing-on knowledge.

    Obviously that makes me a (6-gearish) writing-table-offender (/6-gearisch), but in today's world this is very important role.

    There will be a lot of writing (project proposals, reports; great to have LEO as a tool for that), communications with project partners from all over Europe and associated countries (and necessary travel ;)). And of course, with a small establishment, there's the likelihood of being called in to troubleshoot practical issues for small food companies associated with us, and maybe even doing some little bits of hands-on work here and there.

    I'm expecting things to be busy, unorganised (initially), and maybe a little bit naive, but full of enthusiasm.

    But obviously, it's a role that can easily (and most of the time more efficiently) be done remotely. Hence, my expected presence at headquarters is one day per week, unless there is a good reason for my presence (which might be seminars, workshops or project meetings we are hosting).

    virus, if it helps... Wikling is a NES, but some irregular verbs present difficulties (ironically, more to her than me), typically the ones she doesn’t use very much (just hearing them doesn’t seem to get it into the brain). I would assume mainstream schools here put more focus on that early on. Put hey, it's all about the practice, and if little NES are butchering irregular verbs repeatedly, you shouldn't feel bad about it.

    #72Verfasser Wik (237414)  28 Sep. 22, 15:04

    *having a brrak*


    A few questions first, WIK, if you don’t mind: Are the terms “non--profit company” and “non-for-profit company” interchangeable? I assume so but haven’t heard of the latter before. Does working for a non-profit organization means that they won’t pay your salary but your clients? “Small scale food production” means „start-ups“ , or farmers changing from normal production to BIO, like that? 

    Anyway, it sounds to be a thrilling and challenging job. Offering services might imply more travelling than you believe, bat that might by my old-fashioned impression, not taking into account the modern media. Good luck!

    #73Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  02 Okt. 22, 18:39

    My dears, your reactions to my little story in #70 weren't what I was heading at. I'm not quarreling nor do I feel (too) bad about it - I only wanted to say that I was really, really good at them (irregular verbs) long ago at school (thanks to my "implacable" teacher). But - that was long ago. I didn't think that I've forgotten so much... 🤓

    Outside (sitting on my desk at work) the starlings are doing great formation flight(s?). Sun is shining, the trees are yellow and green and red, blue skies - nice.

    #74Verfasser virus (343741) 04 Okt. 22, 17:38

    virus, your story about irregular verbs reminded me of the time when a schoolfriend and I practised them for our English teacher! And that brought home to me how much more confident I am writing English than German these days...always have been, really. My school marks in English were always much better than German. And now, having translated into English for – ahem – decades, I’m finding my current project (which is a translation into German, albeit of an admittedly badly, or probably not at all, edited book) rather trying. I may have said this before – but do these people (by which I mean academics of global renown, among others) not have partners, teenagers, friends, interns/Hiwis or someone they can give a chapter to before they hand it to a publishing house of global renown but straitened means?! I try to give my translations, or at least bits of them, to someone to read, just in case I’m being obscure, repetitive or downright unreadable...Ah well.

    Louise Penny, I’m afraid, is not for me. (The only croissant I remember from the first instalment was simply flaky, btw.) I found her constant changing of perspective, sometimes mid-sentence, very irksome, and didn’t warm to any of the characters at all. I’ll have to find something else to read when I’ve finished London’s Oddities – which is a delightful book about lots of things to see in London that one wouldn’t usually know about or look out for. I haven’t started looking for them, but I think I will carry the book with me next time I go up with any amount of time.

    Son2, btw, has now been delivered to uni. We had a nice trip up to the dreaming spires, a rambling museum visit and a pleasant meal, and then left him to it. Very quiet and strange here now, without my resident entertainer. I think even the cats miss him, although he was never particularly interested in them!

    Wik, your new workplace sounds fascinating. Yes, I realise you may not have to do fascinating work all the time, but the enterprise itself sounds like a very forward-looking one, and I hope you’ll be able to tell us more about the projects you’re working on.

    Edith just remembered that starlings come in murmurations, and that's the word usually applied to them flying 'in formation', too - I've seen some amazing images, and I'm quite envious that you can see them from your desk, virus!

    #75Verfasser Jabonah (874310)  04 Okt. 22, 21:01

    #73 RenaRd Well, I don't think I have encountered the term non-profit-company, but on the other hand I had meant to write not-for-profit company/organisation. Basically, this means that the company doesn't want to make a profit for the investors, but aims to invest all efforts and money to a higher purpose (such as, e.g., secure jobs in this community; or increase the number of oak trees in this or that area; or provide assistance to sufferers from disease XYZ).

    But still, they are set up and act as companies, need to take in some money in some way or the other, and pay the employees and operations.

    I don't sell services per se, I work on creating strategies and setting up collaborations to make EU and government money available to help food producers in our area. And I will be responsible for proof that this (public) money is spent wisely, and that the positive aspects targeted are realized. There are other people who work with the "customers" (basically, people who ask for support) on a technical level. But small companies cannot afford market prices for experts, and that's where the money I'm supposed to get in will count.

    There might be a farmer who has a little orchard, and wants to process the apples in some way or the other to make a little extra income. Or somebody who is amazing at making cookies at home and aims at making a business out of selling them. A small cheese producer who needs certificates to export to the UK. The sky is the limit.

    But this demands a lot of background work, networking, knowledge of the funding sources and limitations... I'm only scraping at the surface of things, but I have so many ideas, caveats, enthusiasm, scepticism.... Super exciting!

    #75 Jabonah I'll try to share good stories if I can, but a lot of it is tedious work and trying to convince high-up people to back something that will (long term) benefit somebody trying to establish a business (and hopefully some initiatives for healthier food and more sustainability) . But sure, If there is something interesting for the wider public I'll post it here.

    #76Verfasser Wik (237414) 05 Okt. 22, 22:36

    @Wik (#66) Amy-MiMi, I hope the new school year is going easier than the previous one? Ja, etwa 500% besser. Wieder unterrichte einen neuen Kurs (3. Jahr, zwar habe ich das schon gemacht, aber nicht in der neuen Schule), d.h. wieder muss ich viel Zeit in die Unterrichtsplanung stecken. Etwa die Hälfte der SchülerInnen im dritten Jahr kenne ich aber schon, also macht das die ganze Sache etwas einfacher.

    @Goldammer (re midwinter), für mich heißt midwinter, dass die Hälfte des Winters schon vorbei ist, z.B. midwinter break. Es heißt nicht, dass die Zeit besonders kalt ist. Tut mir leid, dass ich nicht besonders hilfreich bin.

    Heute sind Bonnie und ich einkaufen gegangen. Wir haben ihr ein neues Brustgeschirr gekauft (sie kaut ganz schnell Löcher drin, denn sie beißt das Geschirr, während sie wie wild herum läuft und springt), zwei neue Pullover (siehe Sachen beißen oben, außerdem habe ich im Frühling einen noch guten Pullover gewaschen und ein Teil davon ist eingegangen), Zahnpasta (hoffentlich mag sie den neuen Geschmack, denn die Zahnpasta mit Erdnussbuttergeschmack, den sie lecker findet, war nicht erhältlich) und Leckerlis. Vorher hatte sie bei ihrem Freund gespielt, also konnte sie ein bisschen Zeit im Auto aushalten. In die Tierbedarfshandlung durfte sie allerdings mit, was eigentlich praktisch ist, denn das Brustgeschirr konnte sie anprobieren und sich über Spielzeuge selber entscheiden. Heute hatte sie sich für keine Spielzeuge interessiert, also habe ich ihr nichts gekauft. Vielleicht hatte es damit zu tun, dass ich schon ein Leckerli in der Hand hatte, und das war dann viel interessanter als irgendwelche Spielzeuge.

    Mir habe ich ziemlich viele Blumenzwiebeln (Tulpen, Narzissen, Hyazinthen) gekauft. Ich freue mich auf einen sehr schönen Blumenfrühling.

    #77Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 08 Okt. 22, 23:10

    I realize it's been some time since I last wrote here in the CC, so here are a few micro-updates from my side. These topics keep us busy these days:

    We're trying to sell our house in Stuttgart to move to Cologne (my wife is from that area), but we've picked a very bad moment. Buyers are in a state of shock ("Schockstarre", as our real-estate agent calls it), and nothing much is moving on the market. Luckily, we like it here and we're not in a hurry.

    My mother turned 90 a week ago. As she's not too happy seeing other people except her immediate family, we just went to a restaurant with her, my brother and his wife. She's very depressed, actually, has been so for years. I've taken over all her administration, including the handling of finances, as she just can't do it any longer. It's a bit exhausting sometimes, but... it's the mother, after all. And I suppose many of you are even more involved in that area than we are.

    The day before yesterday we spent 5-6 hours cutting the greenery around our house. Luckily, we have friends who like gardening a lot, but don't have a garden of their own, so they give us a hand once a year, and now what used to be our "green inferno" according to our neighbour looks more or less presentable again. It's not much of a garden, but the older we get, the more of a burden it becomes all the same.

    Travel Vulture sends his regards. He would like to go Mallorca again soon, but this year it's no longer on, so he'll have to wait until April or so.

    So much for now. I'm happy to read from all of you; keep it going, please!

    #78Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  09 Okt. 22, 10:21

    @ Any-MiMi, RE RE #77 Schülerinnen

    Are there only girls in the classe, or did you try “German gender-speak? N case of the latte you forgot the gender asterisk (Gender-Sternchen) in Schüler*innen, which is chiefly used by the respective proponents of gender-speak.

    Some tiny corrections:

    Sie kaut ganz schnell Löcher drin > rein/hinein

    ein Teil davon ist eingegangen > eingelaufen

    Zahnpasta mit Erdnussbuttergeschmack, [den] die sie lecker finde

    Konnte sie sich [über] bezüglich ihrer Spielzeuge selber entscheiden > better: sie konnte sich ihr Spielzeig selbst aussuchen


    RE: Ich freue mich auf einen sehr schönen Blumenfrühling.

    I love the optimistic touch of the above sentence because my foresight is rather pessimistic when I think about the forthcoming “winter of discontent” (not to mention the war in our neighbourhood).


    @ Jesse_Pinkman, RE have friends who like gardening a lot

    Oh, how lucky you are! Mrs RenaRd likes gardening a lot, and prior to my heart attack in 2004 I used to help her with mowing the lawn and the “harder things”, like cutting a hedge, 2.5 meters high. As my wife got older we had to hire helping hands for more and more work summing up to €500 to €750 twice a year. But we love our garden and, as my wife likes to say “we won’t leave our home, unless they carry us out feet ahead”.


    #79Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  12 Okt. 22, 17:37
    Einspruch, Euer Ehren RenaRd!

    Duden says about one of the meanings of "eingehen":

    eingehen (von Geweben): beim Nasswerden schrumpfen, sich zusammenziehen, enger werden
    #80Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 12 Okt. 22, 19:48

    MHO, "eingelaufen" is more common, but I wouldn't have objected to "eingegangen".

    denn die Zahnpasta mit Erdnussbuttergeschmack, den/die sie lecker findet I think Amy-MiMi's version was grammatically correct, albeit unusual. Certainly, it's the peanut butter flavour Bonnie loves, but in a German mind the toothpaste probably is the more likely "Bezugswort". It would be different, if a "dem" was added before "Erdnussbuttergeschmack", then "den" would be the more likely choice.

    Another correct, but rather unusual expression is "Tierberdarfshandlung". I would just simply say "Tierhandlung", with the implicit understanding that they might not sell pets, but pet food, toys. In Ireland, I go to the pet shop, but there isn't a pet for sale. Is there a different expression in AE?

    Jesse, thank you for popping in!

    Hopefully, you can sort out things with the house sale soon. The market here in Ireland is still driven by a lack of supply and high building costs, and a lot of "hobby landlords" (basically, people who owned and rented out a second house) are now selling at peak prizes, which contracts the rental market.

    My grandmother lived on her own with minimal interference in her administration (although help was offered much earlier) until she was 97, so there was a bit of a mess of paperwork to be cleared up and things to be straightened out when she finally handed over control to my mother and my aunt. In a way, it would have been much easier, if things would be handed over earlier, but on the other hand, I can understand the reluctance. But hey, I'd be happy if I had a lot of her genes, she survived a covid infection aged 102, and we are bracing ourselves for her 103rd birthday early next year.

    I love gardening! Whenever I win the lotto, I aim at buying a place with a big garden, and to spend much of my time planting, weeding, pruning, mixed with a bit of fishing, and walking the pack of Irish wolfhounds... or something along that line.

    Our main oven is broken... seeing that it is seven years old, and it has served a lot, we are not considering a repair job, but getting a replacement. We still have a small oven/microwave combination, and we can work with this for the coming weeks, although my usual bread baking or the Sunday roast will be seriously restricted.

    My new job is shaping up "nicely". A lot of the funding applications recently were unsuccessful, so any quick gains will be valuable (and noticed by the board of directors).

    I'm currently looking at an idea to add value to wild foods (I leave this up to your imagination) in the North Atlantic region.

    Next week I will be attending a conference on bioeconomy, with an introduction given by the minister of agriculture, food and whatever..

    Keep well, all of you, as the next wave seems to go through the population (more so in Germany than in Ireland, I havent seen any data about the US recently).

    #81Verfasser Wik (237414) 13 Okt. 22, 19:21

    "eingehen von textilem Gewebe" in the sense of shrinking may be used more frequently in Southern Germany, but is not marked as specifically regional in Duden (as for example the meaning "festhalten" of the Verb "heben")

    And yes, in my subjective feeling, almost everybody in my family and circle of friends who hasn't had Corona so far is now catching it, along with so and so many who have it for the second or third time, despite vaccinations. Except us, for the time being. I don't mean to say that vaccinations don't help, to make that clear, just for the record. I don't know a single case of a severe course of a covid infection with vaccinated people in my surroundings. I heard today that the reported incidence (760) may be only a quarter of the true figures, due to the fact that very many people won't have a PCR done because they want to avoid isolation, or because they simply don't care.

    #82Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  14 Okt. 22, 15:00

    My project “Music Review”.


    I like to listen to music, a bit of classic tunes, some Jazz standards, but most of all melodic English Pop and Pop-Rock music in most of its facets. I started buying records in 1959 (aged 16) like all the young folks did, not knowing it would turn out to be an addiction. Fifty years later, at the end of the century, my data base comprised 28.000 songs – my most loved ones and a lot of by-catch - located on different media (vinyl, tape, CD) in different qualities. My first aim was to find the “best quality”-recording of eacg song, and to extract favourites.


    Analog to Fred Bronson’s “Hottest Hot 100” I developed a point system to rate each Top 20 song according to the chart performance (sales) in USA, UK, and/or Germany. Charts are to be found in specialist books or on the weekly listings of the respective Chart Companies. I needed more than 25.000 hours to compile all data. My second aim was to own all Top 10-titles; It wasn’t hard to find the missing ones.


    Parallel to that I converted most of my analog and digital sources to mp3 files and allocated those to special folders on my PC, called Main, Musique Francaise, Musica Itaiana, Country, and Deutscher Schkager . The folder “maim” contains the 14.000 charted hits plus more than thousand versions (mono/stereo, single/album, etc) and personal favourites in and out of the charts worldwide.


    At the end of phase 1 inn 2012 I selected 1.500 songs for daily use on my mp3-player (*), amd I meanwhile felt that some songs need to be substituted. So I started my ”project” 6 months ago, which meant listening to at least a few seconds of each song from 1950 to 1999, i.e. 13.300 songs. This work is done by now, and it wasn’t always fun. Going through the songs I found thousands I marked as “next to best” but even more I hated to listen to because they didn’t meet my taste at all. In the end I’m glad I made this “ride through the decades” - pop music is not just for the young (first love and so on), it contains dozens of narrations, religious or religion-related songs, accusations, hope, and – poetry.

    *)There is of course a second player containing my “selection from 2000-2021”

    #83Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  14 Okt. 22, 16:21

    Why, RenaRd, I admire your dedication!

    A couple of hours ago I was landed with a little writing job on a topic I have absolutely no background in. It's only three pages, but with doing the research on this, it might take me a good bit of time over the weekend. Of course, we already missed the deadline, which is very annoying, because if I had been told about it a few days ago, there wouldn't have been an issue.

    On the upside, I was lucky to find a suitable replacement for our oven. It's missing one function I really liked, but has a few additional options; and most importantly, it is available on short notice (within days, not months). As an additional bonus, it is more than 20% below the recommended retail price quoted by the manufacturer. Usually, Mrs Wik is the one finding these offers, so I'm delighted that on this occasion it was my research leading to success!

    The big Covid wave in Ireland isn't materializing yet. This is probably down to lack of testing, a healthy level of immunization, and the fact, that it is cold and flu season anyway, so symptoms might be misappropriated. There is no public interest in state action at this moment, and the energy crisis and inflation have shifted the attention.

    #84Verfasser Wik (237414) 14 Okt. 22, 17:34

    I remember, WIK, that music is none of your topics.

    Just yesterday I talked to a friend about a special tune (“Blue Tango”); I had thought he would love music, because he’s a semiprofessional dancer. He said, he may have danced to it but never remembers the title or words of a song. His wife is listening to a radio while ironing once in a while, that’s it I tried to convince him (half-heartedly) to get an access to music by using earphones to get caught by the power of a wall of sound. He answered “My earphones are collecting dust in a drawer somewhere; I didn’t like the pressure on my head”.

    There are reasons for everything. :o)


    Congrats for snatching a bargain – as long as it rated is AA+ .🙂

    #85Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 15 Okt. 22, 16:50
    It’s rated A+, which is rather good for a non-professional oven. During my research I haven’t come across a better rated one (from this manufacturer). But I say, that oven is used a lot more than the oven in an average household.

    This week I finally received my firewood (don’t worry, it’s eco-certified for being sustainably harvested), and now I have a nice little fire going, which will much reduce our use of oil for heating.

    I’m actually back to listening to music, but heavily relying on the old favourites I have on audio CD. A wild mix of classical music, jazz, film scores, and a bit of rock n pop. Nothing released later than 2005 (some Scandinavian jazz, which I really like), and most well before 1990.
    There are a few artists I’d like to get some more material from, but that’s probably for another month or so. I might have mentioned my laptop needs replacing (I’m writing on my ageing phone, which also needs an upgrade), the car is due some servicing…
    Ah well, bit by bit.

    I’m wrecked now, the dog started barking and running around at 3.20 am. I calmed him down twice, until Mrs Wik finally kicked him out into the garden around 5.30, and I’ve been busy all day with cleaning, food prep for the week and other chores that have built up. It will be an early night for sure.
    #86Verfasser Wik (237414) 15 Okt. 22, 17:29

    Important question: is it ok to go to bed when you're tired? I'm asking for a friend.

    #87Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 15 Okt. 22, 23:02
    Jesse, that’s absolutely not acceptable. You go to bed when it’s your bed time; not earlier, nor later.
    Sure, the place would be in a heap if we all started to do or not do things based on our feelings…
    #88Verfasser Wik (237414) 16 Okt. 22, 10:20

    @ WIK; RE the dog started barking and running around

    I hope I don’t make you envious but I need to tell you about my experience with our dog, the second one, to be correct. We had two of the same kind during our marriage, both called Bella. Belly II lived with us from 1994 to 2007.


    Dackel are not known for being easy to train but for individualism, and ours was clever enough to show her will. We took her home at the age of 12 weeks, I seem to remember, so we placed her dog basket in our bedroom, next to my wife’s bedside. I carried Bella out regularly every four hours, during night tine too. After four or five nights she was “stubenrein and began to wake me up in case of need by tapping against my mattress near to my head with her fore-paws, watching me. When she saw me opening my eyes she turned around, ran to the door, and sat down there, still watching me. It was like saying “Come on, let me out. Now!”.

    I used to carry her downstairs (a dachshund must not run stairs because of their long spine) somnolently and out to the back yard, where I put her down on the lawn, waiting. Afterwards I deposited her in her basket again.


    At the age of one or so she was big enough to place her head upon the mattress just breathing towards me. That was her “asking” for a lift. When I helped her up, she walked carefully around my head to my back, crept under the blanket and - inch by inch - down my back to my upper leg. There she rolled around and pressed her body against it amd placed her head in the hollow of my knee. With a “so-far-so-good”-snort she went on sleeping.


    When she was grown up she just jumped on my bed and – unless I put her down again – granted a warm leg in winter times. When she got older I couldn’t allow the jump anymore, so we placed her basket on the floor below; near the stairs (that she still didn’t dare to climb. For the rest of her days her eyes followed us with the famous “DackelblicK” each night when we went to bed. For several years thereafter I stopped at the middle of the stairs from time to times to turn around whispering “Good Night”  towards the place where the basket stood.

    PS: I


    As to me, Jesse, your friend might go to bed, whenever he feels tired – as long as he’s not driving any vehicle, leading a conference, or a goal keeper waiting for the penalty kick. In fact going to bed is the best of all options when you’re tired, imo. 😛

    #89Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  16 Okt. 22, 19:16

    RenaRd, the canine legwarmer in your story looks like my aunt and uncle's dachshund whom I visited (all three of them, I mean) on my recent lightning visit to Germany. The dog - complete with 'Dackelblick', of course - was lying down on the sofa next to my aunt, and we agreed that in the current situation with energy prices rising, this was a very good alternative to turning the heating on!

    So I'm puzzled why Bella II had to stay downstairs once she was fully grown and could have been an even more efficient legwarmer?

    And Jesse, in case your friend is still awake - I agree with RenaRd and tend to go to bed when I'm tired. Rest and even more so sleep is paramount to me (and most other people) functioning properly, so I'm all in favour of getting as much of it as one needs!

    #90Verfasser Jabonah (874310) 17 Okt. 22, 21:37

    I love your dog story, RenaRd!

    #91Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 18 Okt. 22, 14:59

    Once again, it's eerily quiet here.

    RenaRd, our dog is not allowed on the beds, or upstairs, for that matter, unless he needs company in the homeoffice while I'm busy there.

    When I refer to him barking and making noises, that was downstairs in the kitchen/living room. And Mrs. Wik kicking him out means out into the garden. It turned out he had eaten something he shouldn't have, with all the smelly consequences.

    The breed is known for being very social, with dogs as well as with people, so he loves to be petted and played with, and to snuggle up on my lap (that's where he is at the moment). And we have spoilt him for walks, currently he demands 3 hours a day, and gets very restless if we cannot comply. I never wanted to have a lazy dog, but at this rate I hope he calms down when he's a bit older.

    Getting up at 5 is actually quite good during the week, as I can get in a long walk, and leave by 6.30 in case I need to go to the office, or, on days I work from home, I have plenty of time after the walk to make breakfast and look after Wikling and bring her to the school bus at 7.45.

    And one never knows what creatures one comes across on the early morning walks. Might be a fox, bats, or an owl.

    It's the last week before the school holidays. Of course, my few holidays I have earned so far will be needed for Christmas, so Mrs Wik will take the week off. Next Monday we will celebrate Halloween, which is a bank holiday, so I can look forward to a long weekend.

    Edit: I used yesterday's dry and sunny afternoon to do a lot of weeding in the garden, and to sow some lambs lettuce and spinach. Based on last year's experience. this should yield in lambs lettuce in February and March (as long as we don't get snow then, and more spinach than I can process in March and April. I did some seeding with winter hardy salad leaves of three different kinds about 5 weeks ago, and there is a bit of chard growing. For next year, I'll stop my vanity project of growing tomatoes, as we had an unusually favourable summer, and still I barely got 3 pounds of tomatoes from 5 plants... It's simply too wet, too cold, and not sunny enough without a greenhouse. Also, radishes unfortunately don't like the conditions (for whatever strange reason).

    I might try some French beans (why not), and maybe some beetroots. Back on the plan will be peas and carrots, as well as all the leavy bits.

    #92Verfasser Wik (237414)  24 Okt. 22, 11:29

    *Renards Geschichte mag*

    Manchmal erinnert mich Bonnie daran, zeitig ins Bett zu gehen. Am liebsten geht sie um 20 Uhr ins Bett.

    Wenn sie ab und zu in der Nacht raus will, geht sie nach unten (wir haben eine Holztreppe) und ich höre ihre Nägel klicken. Wenn das nicht reicht, und ich nicht wach werde, macht sie unten leise unzufriedene Geräusche, bis ich merke, dass sie nicht mehr neben mir schläft und nach draußen will. Normalerweise bellt sie in der Nacht nicht, was ich sehr höflich finde, denn ihr Gebell ist durchdringend.

    #93Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 24 Okt. 22, 22:27

    macht sie unten leise unzufriedene Geräusche

    I love this expression, very well done, Amy-MiMi. And I can imagine the little noise she does.

    To get along a story about animals at our place: I have my Mondays off, so I was sitting on "my" couch this morning again reading a book. Outside we have a lot of birds, started feeding them again for winter at least with fat balls (Meisenknödel). They are always very busy and we have no curtains at our three-window-terrace windows. Which means that they are invisible to the birds. Which ends in the "bump-into-a-window" of many of those birds... because they see a mirror bush they could fly into? I have no clue. Most of the time, it ends luckiliy. But somtetimes, the birds end with a broken neck. Which pities me a lot. I can't glue prey bird silhouettes to my windows and I won't hang curtains. So what sohuld I do?

    #94Verfasser virus (343741) 24 Okt. 22, 22:51

    Mir ist gerade aufgefallen, dass die Website von Deutsche Umwelthilfe e.V. bei duh.de zu finden ist. *kicher* Als Englischmuttersprachlerin finde ich das ungewollt lustig. SCNR

    #95Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 26 Okt. 22, 02:12

    Reminds me of a now given up online quotation collection, former to be found at "zit.at".

    #96Verfasser Pottkieker (871812) 26 Okt. 22, 08:02

    @Pottkieker: 🙂

    Hier schnell eine Frage. Wenn ich sagen möchte, dass ein Meerestier "gets caught in a net" passt festhängen oder verfangen?

    Meeresschildkröten verfangen sich in Geisternetzen.

    Die Meeresschildkröte hing an dem Netz fest, bis der Fischer sie rettete.

    Vielen Dank.

    #97Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 27 Okt. 22, 21:07
    • "Sich verfangen" legt die Betonung meiner Meinung nach etwas mehr darauf, wie das Tier ins Netz hineinschwimmt oder von der Strömung hineingetrieben wird.
    • "festhängen" beschreibt mehr den Zustand, dass das Tier im Netz gefangen ist.

    "To get caught" würde ich deshalb eher mit "sich verfangen" übersetzen. Was den zweiten Vorschlag von Dir betrifft, würde ich "am" durch "im" ersetzen, das ist meines Erachtens idiomatischer.

    #98Verfasser Pottkieker (871812) 27 Okt. 22, 21:14

    Danke! Das ist sehr hilfreich, Pottkieker.

    #99Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 27 Okt. 22, 21:56

    I agree with Pottkieker regarding the turtles.

    Toby woke me at the usual time (5 am) this morning, to demand his morning walk. It's stormy and rainy, and he hates getting wet, so after a 2 minute run to the next tree and doing some business there he refused to continue the walk and returned home.

    Duhhh, I could have done with another hour of sleep! But since I'm awake now I just had 30 min of throwing together a discussion document for my boss. She'll probably kill me if I send it now (work-life balance and so on), so I'll take a quick glance at the CC, and then make breakfast before I share my wisdom.

    We have a bank holiday on Monday (Halloween), and schools are off next week, so Wikling will dress up today for school. After years of being a witch she has moved on to being a scary fairy, Maleficent (one might remember the movie starring Angelina Jolie).

    Tomorrow, weather permitting, we might visit the food festival Savour Kilkenny. I might take a few pictures for work to post on our social media channels, again ruining my work-life balance.

    #94 virus, I don't think there is much you can do. Birds tend to fly against windows/doors when they get spooked by something (a cat, or just sudden movement), and some species (blackbirds) are more prone to do this. Stickers on the window only help to some extent. We have blinds which helps a bit, since it looks more like a solid wall, but even with that I had a pigeon fly against the glass. Maybe if you can move the feeding area away from the windows? Just to give them mores pace to maneuver...

    duh.de ist very funny and so ist zit.at. I just saw that gen.ie is already taken by somebody :)

    Oh, and as the wannabe statistician: 101 posts in 82 days... so we might have to endure this shell for another 5 months or so...

    #100Verfasser Wik (237414) 28 Okt. 22, 07:14

    Maybe it's an urban legend, but the state of Tuvalu was said to make quite a penny with its top level domain, as TV senders were running for a xxx.tv domain.

    #101Verfasser Pottkieker (871812) 28 Okt. 22, 08:13

    Wik, moving the feeding station wouldn't help a lot, as the birds are busy in those bushes all over the year. And, of course, it is very nice to watch them and there is no option to take down the bushes. The only thing which would help probably would be curtains, but even that I doubt. In the Zurich area we have some "new" street car tracks (together with new coaches / trains, called "Glatttalbahn - they are different from the traditional Zurich street cars and also go outside the city). The new stations have a lot of glass walls which, from a distance, seem to be completely colourless and translucent. So I was really concerned what this would mean to birds. But, if you have a close look, the glass is patterned with very small greyish dots in a regular way. This seems to be noticed by the birds so they realise that there is a wall. But for a single house this doesn't exist (and, if so, would be way too expensive...).

    #102Verfasser virus (343741) 28 Okt. 22, 09:46

    I beg your pardon for not sharing anything lately. “I was too busy” is always an acceptable excuse, isn’t it? :o)


    @ virus, RE bumping birds


    Either you love to watch your garden life or you love to save a bird’s life; you obviously can’t have it all. You might try adhesive black silhouettes of birds of prey attached to your window panes. Some say it helps, other deny. What about a compromise, a solution we’ve found by chance:

    We’ve got curtains at all windows, ceiling-to-bottom long, broken-white (gebrochen weiß) and so thin, that the fabric protects our furniture etc from UV but spreads the sunlight all the same. The main activity of a flock of sparrows hurrying from a tree near the dining room window to our neighbour’s hedge is in the morning, usually breakfast time. Looking out of the window we see the bird’s tree and the sunrise behind it in the east. That’s the time to close the curtains and nevertheless enjoy the shadows of the birds dancing to and fro. No sun means no curtains, of course. :o)

    #103Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  28 Okt. 22, 18:14

    RenaRd, thank you for your suggestions. We've tried bird-of-prey shilouettes (not glued but just for a test) but they are not working (as I've herad from many other people (and, moreover, they are ugly...). Curtains are no options since we've decided those days that we won't have curtain rails (?? Schienen) due to the fact that my child and I are allergic against house dust. So we have no curtains, no wall-to-wall carpet but only two woollen rugs. (The effect in the first floor - slate tiles on the floor - is rather noisy in terms of "echoes" as you can imagine.)

    My way of protecting the birds is not to clean the windows... 🤪

    #104Verfasser virus (343741) 29 Okt. 22, 09:41

    #104 The effect in the first floor - slate tiles on the floor - is rather noisy in terms of "echoes" as you can imagine.

    Have you thought about cork tiles?

    #105Verfasser Pottkieker (871812) 29 Okt. 22, 09:49

    @ WIK; RE 101 posts in 82 days... so we might have to endure this shell

    Maybe the young folks on both sides of the pond learn enough of a foreign language in school and don’t feel the need to be corrected in a forum. My granddaughter, e.g., is very good in English (certified C1, aiming C2) and uses LEO regularly, but dislikes grubbing in a forum.

    If only we could find a gimmick to gain more interest. A hint on LEO’s front page or something like that. More participants yield more topics, we know. Additionally we might try to reactivate some “sleepers” like Goldammer. *gg*

    #106Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  29 Okt. 22, 11:39

    As a silent 🦁 lurker for about two years now, I've always followed the CC with great interest -- and only yesterday I silently said to myself: How about asking the few remaining participants if they would mind my joining them? So here I am, asking the very same question.

    I'm aware of the fact that -- as far as I can see -- only Amy-MiMi nowadays takes part as a representative of the NES's side, and that's definitely too small a number.

    So if any of the German Crossover Chatters felt that just another GNS would put even more imbalance on the CC scale, I would be the last one not to understand that attitude.

    Just in case of a positive answer: I am gladly willing to correct mistakes of NESs, and would appreciate the same vice versa.

    So please let me know (with all candidness) how you feel.

    PS to Wik:

    I am sorry to have kind of bored you by mentioning "brilliant" CB in the Brexit thread -- thought that I made a rather ingenious remark, hehe -- wasn't aware of the fact that one zillion people before had already done so. 😏

    #107Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 29 Okt. 22, 17:24

    You’re welcome. Karla13. The German participants (if they don’t mind me speaking for them) are glad about each ENS, a fresh breeze in our snailish community.

    Prior to getting enrolled please quote your shoe size and credit card number.


    I must come to an end now, it’s dining time for me. I hope to see you tomorrow and explore more.

    #108Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  29 Okt. 22, 18:16

    I think RenaRd misunderstood you there, Karla. I understand that you are a German native speaker - but honestly, if we discouraged anybody from joining us here because the person was a German native speaker, we would betray our motto:

    This is not just another chat room. We are here to improve our language skills, German or English, and to encourage a spirit of community. All who share those aims are welcome.

    However, this doesn't relieve you of your duty to share your shoe size and credit card number, you know that, don't you?

    #109Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 29 Okt. 22, 20:07

    Shoe size etc. - yes, karla, we take that very seriously, as Goldammer stated. 😉 (Btw, karla is not only GNS but rather BNS - Berlin native speaker! 😀)

    Have you thought about cork tiles?

    Pottkieker! Don't dare!

    No, we did never think of cork tiles! Actually, when we've planned the house (in the frame of the given outline, both from the construction / dimensions and financial) we were very happy to have this big open space with big windows around. That was why we thought (having seen this at a colleague's house) that there will be enough light to have a black floor. And we still love it. (Btw, I think cork tiles at (on?) the garden level would have been outworn quickly.)

    On the second floor we have parquet floor which is very nice as well. Back to the black floor: In summer we have to half-close the shutters / blinds (don't know which is the better description here) to avoid too high temperatures >> which saves the birds! In winter, we profit from the nice warm floor on sunny days.

    #110Verfasser virus (343741) 29 Okt. 22, 22:34

    karla13, you are most certainly welcome here.

    Please provide your shoe size and credit card number for further reference, this is a requirement to be accepted here. Strangely enough, I remember a number of participants claiming their credit cards being numbered as WWW XXXX YYYY ZZZZ. :).

    Also, a quick introduction of yourself would be nice (no specifics required), such as what are you doing for a living, where are you living, what are your interests, what do you hate... be as vague as you like.

    If I may request a little favour: could you try not to comment on things shared/discussed in one thread in another one? Of course, everything I mention here in the CC is okeyed by me to be public. However, not everybody reads all threads, and without reference, some people (e.g., in the recent food thread) might struggle to pick up on hints on information shared in the CC, and, conversely, not everybody in the CC might understand your PS in #107. :)

    #106 RenaRd: I cannot comment on your granddaughter's English and I'm sure it's very good. But in my recent dealings with scientists from the Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands, who are all reputably very good at English, there is a lot of mistakes and incorrect vocabulary. And it can get very weird when I'm communicating with somebody from Eastern Europe. I'm by no means perfect, as I constantly showcase here, and in Europe, the overall capability to speak and write English certainly has improved during the last decades. But it's in many cases not as good as people think it is.

    After Brexit, the demand for Irish institutions to join EU projects has skyrocketed. It's not that our input on content is required that much (but that will change), but English is still the main language for submissions and reports. Having somebody with English as first language (or somebody like myself, with English competency acquired by many years of exposure and some writing experience) seems to be very highly valued. This keeps me in a job.

    Goldammer, I know I still owe you a letter, which's been sitting on the sideboard for a while, due to the recent happenings. It will reach you shortly, and should be ok for seeding in early spring, and then flowering.

    Edit: a little re-write to make things clearer and to corrrect some of my mistakes

    #111Verfasser Wik (237414)  29 Okt. 22, 23:04

    Oops! Yes, I literally misunderstood GNS for ENS. I just had my reading programme read it again, and it still sounded like ENS. My 3x magnifying glass finally proved a G, then. Nevertheless, I still like to welcome Karla13 especially after she learned to know each of the “old” snails and I’m curious to know more about her

    #112Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 30 Okt. 22, 09:51

    Thanks a lot, everybody, for your warm welcome – I will gladly submit my shoe size and, more importantly for all of you, my credit card details within a sec.

    But first of all, I would like to apologize to Wik for treading on his toes again (aka into a big hole of grease *Fettnäpfchen*) – even though he had already hinted as much at the first occasion.

    Wik, I do not only admire your proficiency in English, but also your utter politeness and friendliness in expressing your wish for a „little favour“. Could I „try not to comment on things shared/discussed in one thread in another one?“ – Yes, of course, I certainly could – and you should have scolded me, and rightfully so, with far stronger words. I am really, really sorry; and I can promise you that I will not only „try“ to keep my chatty mouth shut, but will also succeed in doing so. No offense meant.

    As a general rule, I do appreciate a clear (and well-spoken) word/ statement, because I sometimes get a little bit high-spirited/ rollicking/ coltish (??) [übermütig], and people might get offended when they don't know me personally. So please, everybody, do not hesitate to tell me candidly whenever I have overstepped a border (limit ?) – which hopefully will never again occur in the CC anyway.

    By leaving this embarrassing topic behind, I'll now come back to your two most ardent questions: my shoe size and cc [sic!] number. Both of them are, as I can say with a certain relief, easy information to share with you all.

    As I am sort of obsessed with the number thirteen (my birth date; and therefore a lucky number for my parents and myself), I only buy shoes sized 39 (which are actually a little too big for me, but I don't mind). My cc number, consequently, is Visa 1326 3952 6578 9113. For further information concerning my check digit etc, please send me a PM.

    Also, a quick introduction of yourself would be nice (no specifics required), such as what are you doing for a living, where are you living, what are your interests, what do you hate... be as vague as you like.

    Being vague is one of my special features, hehe, but I will try my best to counteract against my own personality and supply as much information as possible about myself. As Goldammer already assumed correctly, I am German – born and bred in West Berlin, as virus knew from another thread. So I am a 1965 Berlin native speaker (BNS, correct), and am proud of it.

    (Even though I've to admit that actively participating in LEO for the past two months has already broadened my mind in so far as richness of German dialects is concerned: I have the strong feeling that South Germany has a far wider range of dialectic words to offer, words which I quite like, which are completely unknown to my Berlin ears and are really fascinating to me. IMO, I can already confirm the well-known rule: LEO does in fact educate you.)

    As I've mentioned before at other places, I've already been silently lurking on LEO for nearly two and a half years now, more or less starting with the pandemic. Therefore, I „know“ all of you better than you know me. I might also be aware of some details and facts that you have told about yourselves on LEO at some point (I tend to remember things like these – and that's because I'm interested in people and their lives in general.)

    I think that sums it up nicely for the time being. Next time I will REALLY tell you more about myself (and why my life is like it is now) and will certainly ask some questions to some of you. Please feel free to do the same if and when you feel like it. See and read you soon.

    RenaRd, I will remember the reading programme assisting your eyes and therefore try to write as unambigiously as possible -- how does it handle emojis?

    #113Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  30 Okt. 22, 11:05

    Please don't altogether keep your chatty mouth, karla! That would be sort of counterproductive in here, wouldn't it?

    If you are fascintated by the Southern dialects, have you ever tried reading the Schwòbafädale?

    Might be a bit of a challenge for a BNS.... 😀

    #114Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 30 Okt. 22, 18:01

    Why, karla, please feel free to be as chatty as it is in your nature. When I wrote "do me a favour", that's exactly what I meant. :) I'm trying to make the experience here more enjoyable for myself, but you are not under any obligation whatsoever to follow my wishes.

    Just to explain, many people here seem to follow some threads and topics and ignore others. Hence, referencing a point or part of conversation from one thread in another without context might be confusing for some people ("Is this something I should remember?"). In my opinion, this interrupts the flow of a conversation.


    And to what I wrote in the UK politics thread... quite often,

    those very topical threads go on a tangent, leading further and further away

    from the original conversation. With my intervention, I was trying to nudge the

    conversation away from the off-topic and name-calling (there’s only that much

    Cruella or BluPasspurts I can take) into something that is more on topic and

    relevant for me. But others might disagree.


    It's very wet and stormy over here. Still quite warm for the time of the year, but very dark with heavy cloud coverage. I was over at the office yesterday, and the drive in the morning was very pleasant in spite of the early hour. The trip back home was very different, all wet and windy. But that’s probably the way it will be for the coming 4 months. Which reminds me of Jesse’s concept of the darkest quarter of the year, which we will enter in a few days’ time.

    Wikling yesterday was bitten by a pony in riding school. Unusually for her, it didn’t turn her off going again today (she’s on mid-term break, and she can do with a bit of additional riding practice). There is something about girls and their love of horses.


    Not too much else going on here, I’m going to attend a HACCP course over the coming weeks. It shouldn’t be anything interesting, but since there was a free spot, and one can always do with an additional certificate, I didn’t put up too much resistance. 

    #115Verfasser Wik (237414) 02 Nov. 22, 17:50

    #114 Goldammer, I am understanding your posting as a sort of motivation for me to keep on writing. Thanks for that.

    Might be a bit of a challenge for a BNS.... ?

    'challenge' is a nice paraphrase for 'total failure', hehe. No way to grasp what the Svabians are talking about... Nope, certainly not the right thread for me – no offense meant. I think I'll stick to good old "Hochdeutsch" threads where I am also learning a lot.

    And Wik #115, no worries, I didn't feel any obligation, it's just so understandable what you are wishing for that I can't resist to (hehe) obey. Your explanation seeems to cover every aspect of a sensible statement, so it's easy for me to follow.

    As it was my day off today, I took the opportunity to practise my English, so I started my introductory letter to the CC. Here it comes:

    After having lived for almost 47 years in Berlin (and additionally altogether 7 years abroad), I decided seven years ago to take a sabbatical year, staying and travelling around Portugal. I didn't have a plan where to go and what to do – I just knew that I wanted to experience life in Portugal as a whole. I had come to Madeira for the first time around 2005, spending a two-week holiday alone on the island. I instantly fell in love with the people, their mentality, way of living, the wonderful nature with the multitude of hiking trails, etc. From then on, I kept returning to Madeira. I got to know some inhabitants of the island and started to learn Portuguese.

    When in 2015 my employer offered the opportunity to take a sabbatical, it was only logical for me to apply – and that was only after one single day. I never regretted my decision but had to wait for another one and a half years before I could start travelling.

    I found the combination of my very German mentality (conscientious, earnest, reserved, law-abiding, etc.) with the Portuguese way of existence very refreshing. Portuguese people seem to share some characteristics with German people, they are similar in some ways, but much more relaxed. That in combination with the Portuguese saudade was very inspiring to me and my well-being.

    During this year of absence from my home town, friends and family as well as my job, I felt free for the first time in my life. After raising three kids (successfully, I hope), working full-time nearly all my life, and additionally doing some voluntary work, I decided that from then on I would only do what I wanted and also live where I wanted.

    I came back from this year which I spent mainly in the south (Algarve) and up to Porto with the clear vision of changing my place of residence from Berlin to somewhere in Portugal. That was in 2017. But I didn't know how to manage and where exactly to live.

    My first step therefore was to think about my job which I love and couldn't live without. But how to convince my employer that from now on I would work from 3,000 km away? As I can easily work online, that part was acquired without many complications. In the end, and after some good negotiating, my employer consented to a job model with 30 hours per week including a day off. Fine with me, I don't need that much money.

    (tbc, I am too tired now to keep on being chatty.)

    Wik, I hope that Wikling is still feeling allright after being bitten by the pony.

    #116Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 03 Nov. 22, 02:58

    Greetings from De Haan on the Belgian coast. While the southern seas (be it the Mediterranean or the Indian Ocean) are an important part of our lives, the North Sea in autumn and winter holds a very special magic for us, and we‘ve been here or in Holland half a dozen times at least over the last 20 years.

    Plus, we like „moules frites“ and Belgian beer.

    We‘re lucky with regards to accomodation; a friend of a friend has a small, but cozy apartment in a very good location here, which he lets us use for a very friendly price.

    In other news, the day before yesterday we have received an important update regarding a major decision in our lives about which I may be able to write more in a few weeks.

    It‘s a positive one, so no need to worry. Which reminds me - has anyone read „Die Tante Jolesch“ by Friedrich Torberg? Beautiful, often very funny stories about Jewish life, mentality and culture in Vienna and Prague around 1900. One of the stories goes like this: At that time, telephone was still very uncommon, unlike telegraphy. But writing a telegram was costly, the sender was charged by word. So many telegrams very, very briefly described what the sender wanted to inform the receiver about, followed by the phrase: „Brief folgt“.

    One day a man wrote to his relatives a telegram reading: „Seid besorgt, Brief folgt“.

    So, that‘s not what I intended to do with the allusion above.

    Another memorable phrase by Tante Jolesch was: „Was ein Mann schöner ist als ein Aff‘ ist Luxus.“ Apart from the very idiomatic use of „was“ I totally love the pragmatic mindset behind that statement.

    #117Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 03 Nov. 22, 08:51

    The people of Zurich are crazy! I had told you in some thread that it is possible to buy certain license plates at auction in Switzerland. A few days ago it was announced that as of today the license plate ZH 100 will be auctioned. The start was at 7 am. As of now [check]: 100,000 Swiss francs


    #118Verfasser virus (343741) 03 Nov. 22, 09:26

    Oh, Jesse, you are in De Haan? I first came there as a child, and we keep returning as adults. The last visit was at the end of September :-) Best frites in De Haan: Le Genico. And there is a 1960s foto of us as a family in front of the lady at Les Goëlands.

    #119Verfasser penguin (236245) 03 Nov. 22, 10:28
    Thanks for the recommendation, penguin! We’ll try those fries tomorrow.
    #120Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 03 Nov. 22, 16:29

    Virus: the mind boggles, people in Zuerich have too much expandable money. But then, I heard on the radio the other day that tickets for an Adele concert in Las Vegas (apparently, she is doing a residency there, who would have known) are being offered at something like 47,000 (in words: forty-seven thousand) $. That is per ticket, and not with meet-and-greet or any bonus features.

    Jesse: I love moules frites, and a nice little Trappist has never been rejected by me. Enjoy your stay at the coast!

    The update you are talking about is in connecting with your move to Cologne, I suppose?

    karla: Now that you mention it, I think you mentioned Portugal elsewhere, but I couldn't say on which occasion. Maybe the missed-food thread? Sounds like an interesting journey you talk, and fair play to you for looking for an opportunity and taking it to fulfill your dream! I find it still amazing, how flexible German employers seem to be with number of working hours. Of course, there are laws and regulations helping with this, but it still baffles me a bit.

    Portugal is on my list of countries in the coming years.

    Goldammer: I admit that I looked into the Feindfaden you referenced in #114, and I found it rather awkward to follow. But since I was born and grew up with yellow feet in the Fan City by the Rhine, I decided to leave you trans-montane people speaking in strange tongues alone in your conversation. No offense meant!

    #121Verfasser Wik (237414) 03 Nov. 22, 17:22

    So many postings, and I have only little time. It’s a pity but I’ve got to make it short. I was wrong when I wrote lately that my main project (assessing 50 years of music from the 50s to the 90s) was done. Unfortunately in more than 1,00 cases it wasn’t enough to adjust the ID-tags of the respective music file but the characteristics have to be changed as well. And that turns out to be quite tortuous.


    Best wishes for Wikling, WIK. I’ll keep my fingers crossed. There’s a saying like this: “If you fall off from a horse get back on it quickly”- What das one say about getting bitten, btw? .


    It’s a pity, Karly12, that you are Berlin-born.  I’ve heard that speaking the Swabian dialect facilitates learning Portuguese extraordinarily because of the nasal. *g*


    Did you know that, Goldammer? 😋


    I’m sorry to say, Jesse, that liking Belgian beer doesn’t make you a connoisseur. Raised in Dortmund (die Bierstadt überhaupt), I’d rather drink a Trollinger (which I don’t like at all) than a Belgian beer.  No “Deuches Reinheitsgebot”. You know.

    #122Verfasser RenaRd (907225) 03 Nov. 22, 17:23

    Now you are (all) talking... I like that. But where are our correcting NESs hiding? Anybody?

    Just a "short"* message from me this time (yes, I know, everything is relative, hehe). Even though I do live in an earlier time zone than you all do (presumably), a German-spoken pink panther is already staring at me and starting to sing: "Wer hat an der Uhr gedreht, ist es wirklich schon so spät? Lalala, I suppose I just broke one of the holy CC rules... tztz, please forgive me once and for all. (Wonder how the lyrics would be in English.)

    Jesse: Enjoy your moules frites in a few hours! I haven't tried any yet. But I can imagine them being delicious. I love mussels (in white wine or tomato sauce, yummie).

    I think the saying „Was ein Mann schöner ist als ein Aff‘ ist Luxus.“ is hilarious. Thanks for sharing.

    penguin: "Best frites in De Haan." Would everybody know that you are talking about 'moules frites' and not 'pommes frites'? Because I didn't... and I am always more than curious (to learn), as you might have noticed already. (Just joking 😉)

    Wik: Yes, it was the missed food thread where I mentioned Portugal. But please, don''t praise the day before sunset, because that's not where the whole story ended... *Sings* "Love is in the air..."

    I find it still amazing, how flexible German employers seem to be with number of working hours.

    That wasn't flexibility on their side but pure greed and blackmail, haha. Actually, I have to manage the same work load in 30 hours like before in 39, but on the other hand have total freedom in deciding when to deliver my weekly amount of work. It must be ready every Monday morning at 7 am German time. The rest is my personal decision. That's why I can spend hours and hours procrastinating on LEO... And as I prefer to work until late at night, that's all fine with me. I also need less money here, so the wage loss doesn't bother me at all.

    And -- another advantage: I don't have to spend my precious time in endless, rather fruitless (?) meetings. One online team meeting per week is compulsory for me -- the rest is history. Yippie!

    Of course, there are laws and regulations helping with this, but it still baffles me a bit.

    Fortunately, it's all law-abiding, and I am still paying part of my taxes in Germany, which is fair enough.

    Portugal is on my list of countries in the coming years.

    It's certainly worth a visit. I'm sure your family and you'll love it.

    RenaRd: I don't envy you for the task you've set for yourself, but only for the result you'll be getting in the long run. What's the estimated time frame you've set for yourself?

    By the way, thanks for giving me a slightly changed name. I don't mind being called Karly -- in fact, I quite like it, but I have to insist on the right number which is 13. I would't like to be born on a 12th, I prefer a Primzahl as my birth date (I will look that up tomorrow (aka later on), too sleepy now.

    You're right, the Portuguese pronunciation is quite hard for me, as I started to learn the language at the age of nearly fifty. The soft Svabian dialect would indeed help -- but what can I do about that? No Svabians around here...

    One thing's for sure, RenaRd: You would certainly prefer Belgian to Portuguese beer. Which I like from time to time, but I'm by no means a connaisseure (?) -- I prefer a good, Portuguese wine. Their beer tends to be weak, rather sweet and the contrary of strong. Mild? Yes, indeed mild.

    *See what I mean with relatively short for me? I think in this respect penguin and I are the extremest representatives of our respective species. penguin: Needs two words only. karla13: Needs at least thirteen words, if not more, for the same content.

    Good night. (Two words)

    #123Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  04 Nov. 22, 02:43

    Karla, „moules frites“ is a contraction of „moules“ and „(pommes) frites“. It‘s not the mussels that are being fried. Rather, they are prepared as you suggest, with white wine, a sauce provençale or something similar and then served with fries.

    #124Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  04 Nov. 22, 09:18

    A slightly belated welcome to the snailhouse, karla13! Surely the more activity there is, the more people – including leftpondians – may feel intrigued and possibly even join in. And thank you for your story so far – I’m all agog to find out which of the islands of the blessed you’re living on (your remark about timezones earlier was ambiguous, to say the least). I’m quite curious after hints in other threads...and thank you for the reminder to keep threads apart, Wik. I do try, but sometimes I get confused (although I really don’t contribute to many threads at all).

    I’ve only been to Portugal once, visiting Lisbon for a few days, and it would absolutely be my city of choice to live in. Not only beautiful and inspiring, but also competent and relaxed in a way I found very enjoyable. To say nothing of the wine...

    The weather here has suddenly changed from Indian Summer to proper autumn, with lots of rain and a noticeable drop in temperature – so much so, indeed, that we have decided to turn the heating on, although the thermostat is still set quite low. But we really don’t want the house to grow damp and mouldy.

    Anyway, we made use of the last of the warm days and went to London on Sunday, where we discovered a museum neither of us had noticed before – the Brunei Gallery, which is part of SOAS, it seems. The space is stunning (I’m always at least as interested in the architecture as in the displays), and the exhibitions interesting, although the one about all the babies that were taken (without any documentation or indeed intention to reunite the families) from Yemeni Jews on their arrival in Israel in the late 1940s was quite harrowing, not least because it pointed out that this sort of thing still goes on all over the world, where self-appointed “superiors” (usually for racial or religious reasons) decide that they’re much better suited to look after children and simply remove them from their families. Which once again makes me wonder whether I should have studied politics and sociology and done something more proactive? (Of course, when I started uni, I had only the vaguest understanding of what politics and sociology involved, let alone what they might lead to. Somehow I don’t think careers guidance was taken very seriously at my school, or indeed by my parents…)

    #125Verfasser Jabonah (874310) 04 Nov. 22, 10:08

    Oh, I see, Jesse... Thanks for explaining before penguin could react to my embarrassing question... 😇

    But now you've got my dish inventing mind working -- 'moules frites' sounded to me like shortly cooked mussels (until opening up their shells) put into batter and then deep fried. Like fish&chips.

    Your description sounds mouth-watering. Enjoy!

    [And now I know that a Primzahl is a prime number (at least that's what LEO says). Should've known that life can be easy sometimes... 🙃]

    'À bientot' -- ou do people speak Flemish in De Haan? (The name has the flair of it.)

    #126Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 04 Nov. 22, 10:16

    Three words:

    'frites' are fries.

    Just like 'steak frites' is a steak served with fries.

    De Haan is in Flanders where people speak Flemish.

    #127Verfasser penguin (236245)  04 Nov. 22, 10:31

    Thanks, penguin, short and accurate. Travel Vulture sends his regards from one flightless bird to another :-)

    #128Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 04 Nov. 22, 11:57
    Flightless? I thought travel vulture was an avid flyer… preferably business class, and with a G&T in his talons. Well, I must have been wrong then.

    RenaRd, I apologise for being blunt, but I have to disagree with you in the strongest possible terms regarding your choice of beverages. I’m not the biggest fan of Belgian beers (usually rather sweet and heavy), but most of them are brewed with malt, hops, yeast and water, only. Trollinger is… indescribable without insults.

    I think karla13’s clues, especially regarding the time zone, have very much told us where she lives. Unless I have concluded incorrectly, which might very much be the case. But then, with all the bits I mentioned, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was possible for a dedicated person to figure out my home address…

    The weather forecast is very unreliable these days. It was supposed to be dry and pleasant today, albeit cold. Instead, it’s warm, but wet and windy. My winter seeding of spinach seems to like these conditions, but I had hoped to rake up the fallen leaves and to mend the fence. Pouring rain is not helping these activities.
    #129Verfasser Wik (237414) 05 Nov. 22, 11:01

    Wik, your image about TV is perfectly accurate.However, when there‘s no aircraft around I have a very, very hard time convincing him to fly instead of just letting himself be carried around. Spoiled beast.

    #130Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  05 Nov. 22, 17:09

    Thank you for the warm welcome in #125, Jabonah.

    If I've concluded correctly, your whereabouts are situated somewhere in the UK, and I am guessing this place shouldn't be too far away from London, considering the fact that you can easily go there for "only" a visit to the museum. Talking of which I haven't heard of before. I've just looked up the Brunei Gallery on the internet – it really looks impressive from an architect's point of view (which I have, but not am).

    Concerning the exhibition you saw: I would (also) be hesitant to expose myself to such kind of a gruesome subject; and frankly, I wouldn't have expected that those things were still happening until today – unbelievable: "self-appointed “superiors” (usually for racial or religious reasons) decide that they’re much better suited to look after children and simply remove them from their families."


    Your statement "Somehow I don’t think careers guidance was taken very seriously at my school, or indeed by my parents…" made me think of my own choice of study subject, which wasn't by far guided by anyone in particular. For sure, at the beginning of the eighties we Berliners had the "Berufsberatung für Abiturienten" (a subdivision of the then "Arbeitsamt"), but the lady who did a pre-fabricated test with me and asked some further questions about my hobbies, pastime and fortes was as clueless as I was (and my parents, too) about what I was supposed to do or study. That's when my father had the good idea (which in those days and times wasn't as common as today) that after the 'Abitur' I should spend a year in England as an au-pair instead of immediately going to uni or starting a vocational training.

    Ironically (in a positive sense) I ended up with a (very nice) English middle/upper class family with four (fairly spoilt) girls aged six to thirteen; and that all happened in Reading, which I found a good sign because reading was one of my favourite pastimes in those days – and still is until today.

    Returning from England I wasn't the least smarter than before – but certainly more experienced as a house-keeper and organizer of children's lives. Which in return sort of prepared me for the upbringing of my own three children some years later.

    Back in Berlin I then applied for a university place in law, even got it, but shortly afterwards decided for something more universal and less paragraph-related.

    Which brings me back to my actual place of living – and Jabonah's and PI Wik's speculations about it.

    Both of you started of perfectly (country-wise) as well as logically, and actually, after my story mentioned Madeira so often, that was the place I chose for my living. The only disadvantages I saw at the time were the difficulty of finding appropiate and affordable accomodation, the extremely hilly nature of the island (perfect for hiking, but less so for cycling), the amount of (predominantly German) tourists (the nice ones, not the 'Ballermann' type ones), and the rate of unemployment (10.7 percent as of February 2021 – which shouldn't have affected me with my Germany-based job, but the atmosphere amongst inhabitants and workers who came there for jobs in the highly developped tourism industry.

    These were the topics I was prepared to handle/ to overcome. I arranged my relocation from Berlin to Funchal (Madeira's capital – 112,000 inhabitants), at first staying at a Portuguese friend's modern and sufficiently equipped holiday apartment.

    May I remind you that we're now talking about October 2019, when clearly nobody could have predicted what should start shortly afterwards. The island of Madeira sort of collapsed due to anti-Covid restrictions, the income source for workers within the tourism sector literally vanished, and everyday social life came to a total standstill. Which would have been a major setback for me in the long run with the position of a stranger being extremely dependant on building up social contacts (via choir singing, sports, language learning and other courses, voluntary work etc.) and getting to know people (better) and thereby constructing a personal network of natives and expatriates – a challenge I had already managed when living in Bangkok for four years at the end of the last century.

    Whereas the possibility to find suitable and long-term accomodation improved considerably at the beginning of 2020, at this point I started to feel really lonely, isolated and godforsaken without a yet built-up net of sufficient aquaintances and friends.

    Fortunately I had my work which kept me busy and occupied (and the internet as a whole, appreciating for the first time in my life a streaming service like Nettflicks), I could talk endlessly and frequently with my children, the rest of my German family, friends, colleagues – but only over the phone etc., which wasn't the same as them visiting me shortly after the removal, as we had planned.

    I had to restrict my everyday outdoor life to a strict regime of long walks and the occasional stay at the beach – but then Funchal beaches aren't famous for anything but rocks and smallness. So that ended up in the daily morning swim, the afterwards coffee (or two or three) in my favourite outside café (which also temporarily had to shut down from April until June) and extensive food shopping.

    And that was the somehow sad status quo in May 2020 when the aforementioned god(ess) showed me – not for the first time in my life, for sure– that you should never ever complain or think that things should go better...

    To cut it short: One fine May morning I nearly ran over an extremely nice looking young man when cycling back home from my morning swim and jog, not paying much attention to traffic or pedestrians – only enjoying the aftertaste of the refreshing sea on my skin and the sensation when running along the seashore.

    As we both had to laugh really hard – it was quite a bizarre scene because while nearly being hit by my bicycle he kept on *hüstel* kind of staring at me – it was only consequent that we started to talk (me, as usual with foreigners, at first pretending to be Portuguese and not understanding any English at all) and him (he?) answering in even worse Portuguese – but not pretending to be anything else than Dutch.

    So my stay on Madeira happened to be a rather short one, all in all not more than nine months. One story ended, another one started from fresh. Turned out HE was a sailor being stuck in Funchal harbour because of Covid-lockdown. As he had already seen much more of the world than I had (not only sailing around the whole globe for pleasure [and practically permanently living on his sailing boat] but also earning the necessary amount of money for his next trip by working as a captain on really big vessels) he showed me a place not that far away from Madeira where he had already bought a piece of land with a nearly-ruin – to be renovated one day from scratch.

    But that is really just one more story to be continued – for the moment I don't want to bore you any further, and I am also curious to hear any news or stories from all of you.

    Last but not least I would like to tell RenaRd that the wrong-spelling of my name didn't bother me at all. I was only joking around commenting on this in #123, like I nearly always do.

    So RenaRd, if you feel like it, please feel free to call me Karly13. Sounds cute to my ears. Do as you please.

    #131Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 05 Nov. 22, 19:48

    @Jesse: Well, I met him once, as you certainly remember (I had to work out what TV meant in your context ..), and to me, he looked sort of, well, frail...so I think it's understandable that he likes being carried around, don't you?

    @karla: your are really apt at the art of producing a good cliffhanger...I am not bored at all but dying to hear...ehm, read how things went on with the Dutch sailor and his ruin....

    #132Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  05 Nov. 22, 19:52

    @karla: Thanks for your input on Madeira. My son is a professional streamer and Youtube content provider. He thought about moving there once because taxes seem to be spectacularly low there, so there are many people in his profession who relocated to Madeira. In the end, he preferred to be near his friends (which makes me quite proud of him) and stayed in Germany despite the high taxes.

    @Goldammer: Sure I do remember the occasion when you met Travel Vulture. But don’t let yourself be deceived by his innocent, fluffy looks. He’s got things (and me) pretty much under control.

    #133Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 05 Nov. 22, 20:31

    "fluffy looks"...

    My son loves ferrets. At least watching You** films on them. (Anyway, he won't have one - first, they are not supposed to be pets; second, he is allergic against animal fur like me; third, I don't know IF you have one it wouldn't be much better to have two...) Did you know how they are sometimes called? Floof noodles... 😉

    #134Verfasser virus (343741)  06 Nov. 22, 10:08


    Your life is like a novel! PI Wik has given up his job, as there are too many twists and turns, and a lot of deliberately (?) misleading bits. I mean, ...not that far away from Madeira ...? Maybe you should write a murder mystery (if you are not doing so already), the way you present things would make it very interesting.

    virus: ferrets seem to be rather popular pets these days. I wanted to encourage a friend of mine to get, because he had issues with squirrels, but he didn't think it was such a good idea.

    Jesse: I'm of the opinion that small fluffy animals/things are the most dangerous ones. Certainly, this cute little creature couldn't do any harm? #famouslastwords

    Storm and rain again, in spite of what the weather forecast said. Ah well, I got outside for a few hours yesterday to look after the much-neglected garden. I'm glad I stacked up a lot of firewood, even if temperatures aren't very low, the wind and the dampness make it a bit uncomfortable.

    I'd murder for a nice steak frites now... Somehow the idea was in my head all weekend long, thank you penguin! As we have thrown out the deep fat fryer, this was not possible. However, Mrs Wik has ordered a fancy air fryer, so I'm planning for some Schnitzel Wiener Art with fries next weekend. It's one of Wiklings favourites, and hence suitable as a treat after being back to school again this week. I just heard that her Thursday afternoon art class won't take place this term, due to lack of demand. I guess a lot of people have to mind their money, and cutting some extracurricular activities is probably an easy way to save a few coins. It will be hard, though, for the people who offer these activities.

    #135Verfasser Wik (237414) 07 Nov. 22, 13:59

    Inspired by this thread I have a growing desire to go to a Besenwirtschaft and to "schlotz a Viertele". As opposed to many other people, a good Trollinger is absolutely more than drinkable for me. But as we know from RenaRd's comments on my penchant towards Belgian beers, my taste is doubtful at best. So don't take my word on that topic.

    So, Thursday it'll be Besenwirtschaft again - because: no alcohol Mon thru Wed, except when on holiday, which we are not anymore. We're back from De Haan.

    @penguin: We found Le Genico, but ultimately didn't make it to try the fries there. That's on the list for our next visit.

    #136Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  08 Nov. 22, 12:56

    Jesse, funny that you should've mentioned Madeira as a possible place of residence for your son back then. Funny because when I first came to the island I discovered a language school in Funchal where I attended Portuguese classes from my second stay onwards. Amongst the international bunch of students I happened to get acquainted with, there was also a young (thirty-something) French guy who lived near my place. By accident (chance?), we met in the neighbourhood quite often, and one day he told me about a bar-discothèque which was frequented quite often by him and his colleagues.

    He sort of invited me to also come and meet his friends for a drink one day. I went there three times altogether, I think. Happened that this group of predominantly male expats all worked as freelance internet entrepreneurs, spending all their evening and nightly hours heavily drinking and consuming drugs like cocaine and similar stuff. Apart from being too loud for me anyway, and in addition of not being my age group (who wants to sit with her/his mother in a bar?), I realized that, in my perception, some of these men lead very strange and not especially healthy lives.

    I can imagine that your son decided rightly to stay in Germany near his friends. I didn't even know about taxes being comparatively low on Madeira, as I am still paying mine in Germany. Prices definitely weren't low then, apart from booze and meat. But who wants to live exclusively on these?

    Wik, I certainly do enjoy a good murder mystery, just right now together with some other leonids in the „LEO liest“ thread. „The high window“ it is, and I'm really enjoying reading Chandler's highly „sophisticated“ kind of arty language. (I hope I expressed myself understandably.) Trying to write one? No way. I know my limitations with language.

    But the goddess of life has already written some really nice stories for me – next to quite nasty ones –, and some of them I'll definitely share with you.

    Since you wrote about steak frites yesterday, Wik, I also started to crave for a good, bloody steak. So for tomorrow, I've already pre-ordered four thick steaks (my favourite butcher has a secret meat supply hidden somewhere not too far away from Madeira) ready to be thrown on the charcoal grill tomorrow, together with some self-made fries coming from my oven. I always just peel and cut some fresh potatoes from the garden, add chunks of sweet potatoes – sometimes even carrots – and put them on a baking tray; together with black olives, lots of garlic, onions and rosemary (plus a generous amount of olive oil) and let that mixture stay in the oven for about an hour or so. Delicious!

    Not to forget a nice lettuce or mixed salad as a side dish. All that accompanied by a glass of rosé wine, as it is still quite warm at the place I'm hiding at (from nosey PIs – SCNR). A good old German Trollinger would also be highly appreciated, Jesse. Which could be in your wine glass from tonight onwards, I guess. Are you really that strict with your alcohol consuming rules and habits?

    What a shame that Wikling's art classes won't take place this term, and that so many people worldwide have to suffer and cut back on things heavily needed. I always think that it must be the hardest for children and young adults right now, having to miss on so many important things, together with such a long span of life ahead of them.


    But now, I wouldn't want to let Goldammer wait any longer for the story with the flying… ehm … sailing Dutchman to be continued. As I already alluded, I followed this captain head over heels, leaving a not-to-much loved place of living behind me. Actually, it wasn't done without thouroughly thinking things through – but what could've happened anyway? I could've easily returned to Madeira or any other reachable place (within Covid limits), as my furniture and things were still put into storage anyway.

    Starting in July 2020, we sailed around the Atlantic ocean for quite a while, not wanting to return to the secret ruin that quickly.

    It turned out that I, though completely enjoying life aboard, and in an approx. 30 square metres boat cabin, was and still am prone to sea-sickness. So being young and romantically in love did not only mean that I had to share things with a new lover that I wasn't yet prepared to share, but also to realistically decide where I wanted to live permanently without a constantly green face, nor wanting to live in a ruin. I can assure you that my pink glasses were fairly pink, but I wasn't a hopeless case altogether.

    The aforementioned Dutchman had been clever enough to show me the beautiful, wild garden around his ruin (and I'm not exaggerating about the last word),so I decided to be spontaneous for the first time in my whole life and to also fall in love with the quaint village he had discovered for himself.

    As fortune was favourable to me, I also found a nice place (definitively not in shambles) for me to live in, only five minutes away (by bike) from his place.

    And so we'd been living happily ever after. Everything had developpd so perfectly that I can only incessantly thank the almighty goddess. That's where this story is ending -- a new one will start next time I'm around in the CC.

    #137Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  10 Nov. 22, 03:12

    Let the record show: "Trying to sell a house these days is an emotional rollercoaster!"

    The potential buyers' banks request documents that nobody even knew existed back when we financed this house 21 years ago. So far I haven't been requested to sign over my first-born son's soul, but there's a good chance that's what I'll find in my inbox when I wake up tomorrow.

    #138Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  10 Nov. 22, 23:29

    OMG!, Jesse, keeping my fingers crossed that you won't find any such thing in your inbox -- this morning. Good luck!

    #139Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 11 Nov. 22, 00:28

    Next story, please, karla! You did turn up in the CC next time, didn't you?

    #140Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 11 Nov. 22, 14:50

    I can relate to your complaint, Jesse. When we bought our house 7 years ago, there was a huge amount of paperwork and declarations to go through. Thankfully, our solicitor was very good, but there were a few additional checks and documents required by the bank, which delayed things for a few months.

    I'm committed to only sell this house and buy another one, when we are able to do this without getting a mortgage... But whom am I kidding, it would mean a substantial lotto win.

    On this note, there are some news here. Mrs Wik was offered a new position. Another step up the career ladder, and I'm delighted for her. This time it doesn't mean moving to a different country (I still have dreams and nightmares about California) but leaving the company she's been with for the last 12 years. Still waiting for a few formalities, but it would mean that her commute is the same distance-wise, but much more predictable in terms of traffic, and the position is high enough up the food chain to accommodate me being away on business travel here and there. Quod licet Jovi, and so on...

    I'm tired after my second trip cross country to the office this week. I was leading an internal workshop on making my job easier (well, officially, it was a session to create new project ideas), and then had a meeting with a major contractor, and both were rather positive. I will have to put in a good bit of work in the coming weeks to set us up for deadlines in March next year, but it's an exciting part of the job. Roll on the weekend, and some downtime.

    Are there Blackfriday sales on in Germany? I need a new laptop (annoying to type on the phone) sooner rather than later, but with all the advertisement on special offers etc, there doesn't seem anything on that would provide better value for money than what has been out there for the last months.

    karla13, the latest installment of the story was a bit too much "and they lived happily ever after" (even with the sea sickness) to be a novel, so it must be real life. Good on you!

    I'm a bit jealous reading that you just go to the garden to get some fresh potatoes, since everything I can pick at the moment is limited to some cabbagy things and some wintery greenery. A grilled steak doesn't sound right for me at the moment, either; it's just too dark and autumnal. But I'll light the fire later, more for comfort and coziness than heat, and discard the wooly jumper at least for a few hours.

    At least, the dog is adjusting to winter time, so he doesn't make a racket at 4 am, it's more shifting towards 5.30, which is great for workdays. An hour walk before breakfast really clears the mind.

    I hope Amy-MiMi is keeping well, with Thanksgiving coming up, she might be very busy!

    Oh, and happy St.Martin's day. I usually roast a goose around this time of year, but it appears my favourite discounter is not selling frozen geese this year, and I'm not going to pay 90€ or so for an undersized fresh one...

    #141Verfasser Wik (237414) 11 Nov. 22, 15:09

    Wik, just a short information and a question out of curiousity, if you don't mind:

    Es ist das Shopping-Event des Jahres – der Black Friday. Der Aktionstag findet immer am letzten Freitag im November statt und fällt diesmal auf den 25. November 2022.

    Is Wikling bilingual?

    Jesse, don't keep us in the dark any more, please: My fingers are flat as flunders by now...

    Goldammer, please be patient -- I can't invent all those stories without a little bit of research and verification of plausibility. 😀

    What about some stories coming from you in the meantime? I would be delighted to hear about some romantic autumn nights spent under the stars or awe-inspiring walks throughout Swabia.

    @ll: How could we allure some more NES to the CC?

    Amy, where are you? We all have kind of a 'Bärenhunger" for hearing some news from you and possibly getting some corrections!

    #142Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  11 Nov. 22, 19:04

    You mentioned Black Friday. Gosh.

    My sister (here in Switzerland) is working for a sports company inside a mall (mainly running equipment, especially shoes).They not only have "Black Friday" but a whole "Black week". Moreover, shortly after Christmas the "leftover" sale begins, accompanied by all those people who want to change things which did not fit, either in size or gusto or whatsoever ... So, Christmas time for her is something REALLY exhausting. We hardly find a date to meet during this time.

    BTW, if anyone is interested: The canton Zurich auction of the license plate ZH 100 ended on Wednesday, November 9, at a sum of 223'000 CHF. Which was roundabout 225 000 € or $ on Wednesday. I would certainly have better ideas to spend ths amount of money!

    #143Verfasser virus (343741) 11 Nov. 22, 21:50

    Ah, Wik, you know that you are creating the odd puzzle here, too, right?

    First I was trying to figure out which side of the Fair city you are living (after it became clear you are not down in Munster, which was my original assumption), now you added the mystery with the job in the west to the overall story (I had it at a point when I saw something on LinkedIN, but I forgot :) ). Not to mention what direction Ms Wik is now travelling with less traffic (serious riddle). So, no complaining please :D

    Black Friday requires you to get up just after midnight, queue for hours in front of the shop and once you are in your item of desire is gone because they only had 10 of them. You might want to spend some time on cyber Monday or cyber week (as most online business in the ROI happens in the country of short-term governments, you should have ample choice).

    Today is also Armistice and Sunday is Remembrance Day. (Not from a Martin's Day region, so it has little meaning for me). But I have French friends, so I am always reminded that on Nov 11 Lorraine and Alsace were added (back) to France)



    #144Verfasser Dixie (426973) 11 Nov. 22, 22:59
    Oh, I’m not that secretive, Dixie. I used to live down in Cork City for a few years, still have some attachment to it and love spending time along the coast of Cork, Kerry and Clare. So that’s my Munster connection for you, and I’ll always cheer for Munster Rugby and the Cork hurlers.

    Moving back to Ireland 9 years ago, we settled close to the Fair City, as this is where the jobs were. Wikling insists she’s a Lillywhite, which will tell you that we live in County Kildare. The county of horse racing and studs, and very much Dublin commuter belt.
    You can probably guess the town when I tell you that it takes me about 40-45 min to the 40-foot if there’s no traffic.
    Mrs Wik’s current job means getting on the M50 at some stage, which is a nightmare these days. Her new job would mean traveling away from Dublin in the morning, and towards the city in the evening.
    Myself, I’m mainly home office based now, but the headquarters, which I have to visit once a week, are located in a small village in the West, which is well known to Irish rugby supporters.
    As inconvenient as the drive is, it’s better than most other scenarios I’ve been exploring during my job hunt., and I really love the role.

    Karla13, of course you can ask. Wikling unfortunately is not bilingual. Her main language is English, obviously, and she’s fluent in Irish. She understands German quite well, but is too shy to speak it under normal circumstances. After a few days with her cousins or grandparents, this changes. But it always has been a bit of a struggle.
    Edit: Black Friday Getting any higher quality electronic items is a massive problem in Ireland. I sourced a new oven recently and got the last one in stock (in the whole country), the fancy air fryer Mrs Wik ordered had a 2 week lead time (could have been 2 months, we were lucky) and for the laptop I hope to buy… ideally one that is good enough to last for another 10 years, just like the previous one. But all that’s on offer atm are products that are fine for a few years, but would be seriously outdated in 2026, if development continues along the current lines.
    #145Verfasser Wik (237414)  12 Nov. 22, 06:35

    Ah the 40-foot. I miss it (despite having a beach up the road).

    The M50 is by definition a parking lot unless you drive in the middle of the night ...

    It sounds Ireland has worse problems sourcing things than the UK then. Although - no one in my direct vicinity is buying electronics at the moment and my last trip to a website for a nice laptop made me say to myself: next time when you are in the US ... :)

    #146Verfasser Dixie (426973) 12 Nov. 22, 12:50

    Surely, Wik, if Wikling speaks English and Irish, she IS bilingual?! And if she’s willing and able to chat with her cousins in German, she’ll be trilingual in no time!

    (Which reminds me of a rather delightful joke…maybe you’ve all heard it before, but hey ho: If you speak three languages, you’re trilingual; if you speak two languages, you’re bilingual, and if you speak only one language, you must be English!)

    You’re right, karla, that I’m located not too far from London. To narrow it down, there is a sign in our town which gives the distance for London and for Paris – and Paris is pretty much exactly ten times as far away (I have not, however, checked the truth of this).

    Jesse, I feel for you. We had so much trouble when we sold or previous house and bought this (I don’t know how it works in Germany, but in Britain it all has to happen at the same time, otherwise you’re stuffed), and our solicitor wanted paperwork from the sellers that they found it difficult to provide, and our buyers’ solicitor wanted paperwork from us that we didn’t have and the previous owners didn’t have either! It was a nightmare while it lasted, but fortunately (although I don’t remember precisely how) it worked out in the end and here we are.

    As usual I now have a feeling I meant to respond to or comment on other snails’ contributions as well, but have forgotten all my brilliant ideas (for the moment at least)…

    #147Verfasser Jabonah (874310) 12 Nov. 22, 18:06

    but have forgotten all my brilliant ideas

    Jabonah, you are speaking from my heart! 😉 I have so many brilliant ideas but a very hard time to remember them if ever... 😂😂

    #148Verfasser virus (343741) 12 Nov. 22, 20:47

    Ach, Jabonah, this depends on your definition of "bilingual". ;)

    As usual I now have a feeling I meant to respond to or comment on other snails’ contributions as well, but have forgotten all my brilliant ideas (for the moment at least)…

    That's a rather lame excuse, and the same goes for virus.... ;)

    Dixie, the Forty-foot featured in the TV series "Bad Sisters" a few times. We watched it recently, and for an Irish production, it's very well done. Very dark comedy! Unfortunately, it's on Apple TV, so it might not be easily accessible.

    I'm having a bit of a challenging weekend, suffering from a very annoying sinusitis. Little sleep, as I was just too stuffed up, a bit of high temperature, and just feeling rather off. Hence, a bit more time on the couch, hot tea with lemon, and a bit more daytime internet use than normal.

    #149Verfasser Wik (237414) 13 Nov. 22, 14:25

    Before keeping Wik a little company later on (Gute Besserung!) I have a question for him and another short and repeated one for the CC community (cf. #142):

    @ll: How could we allure (or lure -- what's the difference anyway?) some more NES to the CC?

    Could we kind of promote the CC in the "Betrifft LEO" section? Or personally contact some NES who we think could have an interest in participating (I have at least two in mind)? Any ideas?

    It's by no means very nice chatting with you all, but my level of English could certainly do with some corrections made by native speakers. OK, jabonah's, dixie's and obviously Wik's English is definitely nearly (no offense!) as proficient as a native speaker's, but mine clearly isn't.


    karla13, the latest installment of the story was a bit too much "and they lived happily ever after" (even with the sea sickness) to be a novel, so it must be real life. Good on you!

    Wik, by now I think you "know" well enough 😀 that your statement above might be a very welcome "Steilvorlage" for me. So, I would be willing to share with all of you some details of "and they lived happily ever after" -- which of course was an ironical euphemism for the things that happened after the longish boat trip, i.e., the process of settling down.

    On the other hand, if you (AND the others) feel that this would be TMI, I'd certainly refrain from telling more. Yours is the choice -- no offense intended, none taken. Pls advise.

    #150Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 13 Nov. 22, 15:17

    #150: It's by no means very nice chatting with you all,

    Then don't. :-) I'm pretty sure you wrote the contrary of what you meant here. "By no means" means "Not at all".

    As for luring (not "alluring") other participants here, I'm not sure that will work. Most if not all are aware of the existence of this thread. If this just isn't somebody's cup of tea, then it isn't. And if somebody has different priorities, as we all do from time to time, then luring won't help. It's just a matter of accepting things as they are. At times there are eight or nine people writing at the same time; other times it's nobody for a few days. These are the tides of our little ocean. :-)

    Grass won't grow faster if you keep pulling it.

    #151Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  13 Nov. 22, 16:00

    #150: It's by no means very nice chatting with you all,

    Then don't. :-) I'm pretty sure you wrote the contrary of what you meant here. "By no means" means "Not at all".

    Jesse, that's exactly what I meant -- I've been thinking for a moment: aren't you saying exactly the opposite of what you intend to say?... Yes, of course.

    Thanks for your opinion concerning the promotion of the CC.

    #152Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 13 Nov. 22, 16:32

    What? You meant "it's not nice chatting with you all"? Because that's what your sentence says. If so, I repeat: If you don't like chatting with us, then just don't.

    But I'm still sure you just got something mixed up here.

    #153Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  13 Nov. 22, 16:35

    But I'm still sure you just got something mixed up here.


    Hehe, let's complete my sentence from #152:

    Jesse, that's exactly what I meant when I wrote that I'm in need of corrections.

    Of course I thoroughly enjoy talking to all of of you, but if nobody corrects me, I'll keep on making silly mistakes, involuntarily insulting somebody -- which I'd like to avoid.

    #154Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 13 Nov. 22, 16:49

    I had to smile a little bit while reading the last few posts.

    karla13: my English writing here most certainly is not even close to what an educated ENS would deem acceptable. I might use some words or phrases that you are not familiar with, but there is no lack of mistakes and bad style in my contributions. Sometimes Amy-MiMi gave me the benefit of doubt, as some phrases and constructions might be differing from Ireland to the USA. But most of the times she should have insisted she was correct...

    Certainly, dixie and Jabonah are much better than I am. Jesse is mighty at dishing out corrections, when he is asked to do so.

    In my experience, silly mistakes are more often than not a result of trying to improve sentences, or of rushed writing, or of lack of sleep in the previous night.

    #155Verfasser Wik (237414)  14 Nov. 22, 14:53

    Unfortunately I think Jesse is right, karla - luring people into this thread probably won't work. (Although whoever feels up to constructing the next snailhouse may think about constructing a more outspoken title; maybe that could attract attention?)

    Also I do have a little correcturito for you (funny, a small part of my bread is won by correcting people's English, but I'm not very good at it on a conversational level) - namely that your 'pink glasses' would be rose-tinted glasses in English :-) Just one of those things.

    Wik, I hope you're getting better and that your sinusitis was just that!

    #156Verfasser Jabonah (874310) 15 Nov. 22, 21:53

    Yes, Wik, all the best for you sinusitis. Or, rather, all the best to you in fighting it. Another instance of saying the opposite of what was intended. 🙂

    The rollercoaster has gone on steroids. Today the trajectory towards the outcome has taken two sharp turns in one day between "closing the deal" and "forgetting about it". Anyway, another visit to the Bauamt finally produced the floor plans with measurements and the architect's stamp and signature, as requested by the potential buyer's bank. Funny those had never been passed on to us by the original owner / builder.

    Things remain in a precarious balance. Tune in again soon for the next instalment of our popular series "Jesse tries to sell a house while preserving his sanity".

    (Our life is wall-to-wall cliffhangers.)

    #157Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550)  15 Nov. 22, 22:14

    Tut mir leid, dass ich momentan nicht so viel Freizeit habe. Bald haben wir eine ganze Woche Ferien, dann schreibe ich bestimmt etwas und verteile vielleicht Korrekturitos.

    Heute hat es geschneit. Ich freue mich nicht so sehr auf nasse Spaziergänge mit Bonnie. Übrigens hat sie am Montag ihr erstes Tier erbeutet, eine Wühlmaus, WIMNI. Ich habe versucht Bonnie zu fangen und wegzutragen, aber das ist mir nicht gelungen. Eigentlich war es süß, ihr Stirnrunzeln und wedelnden Schwanz zu sehen. Zuerst wusste sie gar nicht, was los ist. Das Spielzeug bewegt sich von alleine! Nach langem Spielen (langer Quälerei eines Nagetiers?) ist die kleine Wühlmaus verstorben. Bonnie wollte das Tier natürlich nicht loslassen. Endlich habe ich sie vergewissert, dass sie eine gute Jägerin sei und die Wühlmaus mit nach Hause bringen dürfe, um Herrn MiMi die Beute zu zeigen, und sie hat das arme Tier liegenlassen, ließ sich anleinen und nach Hause führen. Dort wollte sie erzählen, was sie geschafft hatte. Sie wurde erst ruhig, wenn ich ihr sagte: Er versteht dich nicht. Lass mich erzählen. Daraufhin stolzes Wedeln.

    #158Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 16 Nov. 22, 00:31

    Jesse, I most certainly do not envy you – that rollercoaster state your wife and you (including Reisegeyer) must be in has to be exhausting and somehow frustrating. I am still keeping my fingers crossed for you, hoping that in the end things will work out like both of you are expecting them to do.

    I remember my parents selling their rather old-fashioned house in Berlin – and that was back in the late eighties of the last century, at the same time trying to find a more modern house in the same area. Whereas the selling part proceeded relatively easy, the finding-a-new-place part evolved into a two-year period of sellers deciding not to be willing to sell anymore or asking all of a sudden for a much higher price than before...

    My parents ended up having to rent an apartment for an interim period, putting most of their furmiture into storage, and then finally buying the house my father died in after only a few years of having lived there. And furthermore he was still constantly missing their old house.

    So after a relatively short period of time, my mother as the surviving part in the end decided to sell that house again, for it was too big for her alone, and bought a nice Eigentumswohnung with a shared garden for herself. (I didn't find an appropiate word for this on LEO – condo(minium) didn't sound right, and all the other options seemed to be much too complicated.)

    But I am sure that for you, Jesse, everything will work out perfectly in the end – which brings me to the question if you've already found a new place in Cologne (if I remember correctly), or will that be part two of the search process (still lurking around the corner)?

    virus, if out of curiosity one expat with birth roots in Berlin may ask another one of (nearly) the same species a question: How come your sister also ended up living in Switzerland and obviously having left her home country? Just asking because my sister with hubby and three kids has never left Berlin and won't do so for the rest of her life – even though these days her children are spread over half the globe.

    Wik, like Jabonah, I consider Wikling to be bilingual, speaking both English and Irish fluently. But you're right, I was referring to German, as I totally forgot about Irish Gaelic. I am sure that after some deeper and more intense contact with the German language Wikling would considerably improve her spoken German and overcome her possible shyness speaking her father's mother tongue.

    I didn't know that you had moved from nearer to Cork to nearer to Dublin in the „meantime“.

    I really like Dublin, being the city where I spent my 10-days-honeymoon at the end of the eighties – unfortunately in a year with an extremely cold January as well as horrible rainy weather. With the little money my husband and I were able to spend, we had to find a cheapish B&B for those 10 days, ending up in a gloomy and ice-cold tiny room with a built-in plastic shower cabin and a gas heating device, where you had to put some coins in in order to have at least some kind of warmth in the damp room.

    Needless to say that in that January my then newly-wed husband didn't care to bring his winter coat to freezing-cold Dublin, so that during our stay he ended up catching a strong cold from day two onwards.

    Nevertheless, I enjoyed the city very much, visiting many museums and pubs (in exactly that order) for our daily routine as tourists. The only setback I remember was my gasping horror – excuse me – when coming down to the Irish breakfast room on the first morning – so far me only being used to English cereal breakfast in the house of my au-pair family.

    We "had" to start the day in a brownish-dark, gloomy, windowless and rather cold room in the basement of the B&B in front of a glaringly loud TV set. I had already known baked beans from England, could enjoy and accept them as a British delicacy, but in combination with strange greasy sausages, concrete-like bacon, mashed (sic) eggs as well as cold and half-burnt slices of toast accompanied by jam and butter, I really have to say that I was a little disappointed by every morning's beginnings. It didn't help that we had a sour-faced, rather grumpy landlady, and furthermore, I had a constantly sneezing, feverish husband at my side.

    I whole-heartedly hope I didn't offend anybody by telling my Dublin culinary breakfast impressions – those were always quickly forgotten during day and nighttime eating-outs at other places, often accompanied by a cup of strong Tetley's tea bag tea or an even stronger glass of Guinness beer. In terms of decent British food and drinks I'm easy to please – you only have to show me a good fish&chips shop and offer me half-a-pint of lager, and I'll be happy for the whole day.

    All in all my honeymoon wasn't the most romanic one, but it was very entertaining and definitely sort of charming.

    As a matter of fact, 15 years later I should return to Dublin – my then-boyfriend's daughter stayed there with her family for a period of two years, and we visited them quite often – even celebrating their Irish-German-American wedding somewhere at the Irish East coast. I love Ireland, like the Irish very much and would like to visit it again; with the opportunity of seeing even more of this beautiful country.

    I would also be interested in getting to know Northern Ireland and Belfast one day... not to talk about Scotland which I also don't know – still so much to be seen around the world. Sláinte!

    Wik, talking about your grade of proficiency in English is certainly not a judgement I whould make – especially not comparing you to other Leonids having lived in the UK for quite a longer period of time than you probably have done so far.

    Dixie, if I'm not mistaken we haven't met in the CC so far – hi there! You are based in England, right?

    Jabonah, guessing from your little riddle (?), you might live somewhere near Basingstoke, which should put Paris about ten times as far away from your home town as London. (I remenber Basingstoke from having lived in Reading as an au-pair in the eighties – I quite liked that town.) But that's only an uneducated guess and shouldn't be taken too seriously.

    And thanks for removing my German 'pink glasses' and replacing them by proper English 'rose-tinted' ones – that sounds like a much nicer picture in the English speaking world...

    Amy-MiMi, I really liked your aka Bonnie's story, even though it involved the killing/ death of a vole (?). And took place in snowy surroundings – right now unbelievable for me.

    Please allow me to offer you some small corrections – overall your text is nearly flawless and told very vividly.

    ...ihr Stirnrunzeln und ihren wedelnden Schwanz zu sehen.

    Endlich habe ich sie vergewissert – more idiomatic: Nach einiger/ längerer Zeit hatte ich ihr versichert/ hatte ich sie davon überzeugt,...

    … und sie hat das arme Tier liegen lassen (or: liegengelassen), …

    Sie wurde erst ruhig, wenn als ich ihr sagte:

    #159Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  16 Nov. 22, 04:59

    Amy-MiMi, a good story, albeit not for the vole. Your German is perfect, with, from my point of view, exactly the corrections given by karla. I'm sure the "wenn/als" mistake was just an oversight on your part, because you know that. I mulled for at least five minutes over whether "Ich habe sie vergewissert" is correct German and just, as karla wrote, not very idiomatic, but the more I thought about it the more confused I got, so I dropped it.

    Karla, thanks for your empathy. Yes, you remember correctly, it's Cologne. And no, we haven't found a flat there yet, so as you write: "...will that be part two of the search process (still lurking around the corner)".

    In the worst case, we'll be homeless for a while. We have our eyes on a particular flat, but the old lady who owns it, while in principle willing to sell to us, has certain problems that may make the deal a bit difficult. I won't go into details here. But, as said before, first we have to sell our house in Stuttgart, which may become difficult if that current deals falls through, what with the development of interests.

    As for Reisegeyer, he's cool as a cat. he knows that wherever we go he'll be able to keep travelling with us, and there will always be a window from which he can watch the full moon (another one of his hobbies).

    #160Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 16 Nov. 22, 09:30

    Jesse, a very rare one for you:

    with the development of interests... interest rates.

    Hopefully, the sale will proceed now as you hope. The property market is difficult at the moment, to say the least, but whatever is supposed to happen, will happen, if you believe in it.

    Amy-MiMi, how nice of you to pop in and report about Bonnie's adventure!

    karla13, oh were to start my comments...

    Funnily enough, in Ireland the word "Gaelic" is commonly used (e.g., in Gaelic Games), but never for the Irish language. It's either "Irish" or "Gaelige", while "Gaelic" is exclusively used for Scottish Gaelic.

    I should take offense to some things you write, e.g.:

    In terms of decent British food and drinks I'm easy to please ... why are you expecting British food and drinks in Ireland???

    ...Leonids having lived in the UK for quite a longer period of time than you probably have done so far. But I have never lived in the UK!

    But hey, since I'm enjoying a nice brew at the moment (Barry's tea, obviously, not beer ;)) I'll let you off the hook for now.

    Regarding your Dublin breakfast rant... I'm surprised you didn't mention black pudding ;).

    Irish food is difficult. Many products are rather underwhelming in every aspect, and nutrition habits are terrible in large parts of the population. I think Ireland now has the highest incidence of obesity in Europe.

    On the other hand, there is delicious produce, and great pride in good food in some areas, and healthy nutrition and exercise is very present in the media.

    I enjoy a full Irish breakfast when we are staying in a hotel, and once or twice a year a secret breakfast roll (basically, a sausage, blackpudding, a rasher and a fried egg in a roll/bap) when I'm on the run and don't have time for a proper meal. But this then means "no lunch".

    #161Verfasser Wik (237414) 16 Nov. 22, 14:32

    Wik, thanks for the correction! Please keep them coming!

    I think Ireland now has the highest incidence of obesity in Europe.

    Maybe that's because of your relative geographical proximity to the US?

    #162Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 16 Nov. 22, 16:54

    Wik, thanks for the correction! Please keep them coming!

    If I see something that assumably is not a typo or Fluechtigkeitsfehler, I will.

    I think Ireland now has the highest incidence of obesity in Europe.

    Maybe that's because of your relative geographical proximity to the US?

    And cultural attachment, both ways. A considerable percentage of US Citizens claim Irish heritage, and many Irish families have close enough relatives in the USA.

    Unfortunately, obesity seems to be "inherited" in two ways, and in another way is "contagious", according to my hypothesis.

    "Inherited" (1): There is plenty of scientific evidence, that there are genetic factors which influence weight gain

    "Inherited" (2): food culture and eating habits are certainly passed on from generation to generation, and seem to be more difficult to change than working/exercise habits

    "Contagious" in a way that human beings seem to be more ready to take the "comfortable" option. I see it at the school bus stop every morning. Even a year ago, the majority of children walked to the bus stop. Now, even in perfect condition, most of the children are driven by their parents to the bus stop, because one family started it. Exchange 15 minutes of walking every school day with 10 minutes of procrastination and 5 min in the car... And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

    I know I contradict myself a bit (about healthy eating...), but I'm very excited that I have after all sourced a goose for a St Martin's dinner. So, Sunday is the day, with leftovers Monday and Tuesday.

    But, fair is fair, we all need occasional treats, as long as we understand them to be treats. I've lost quite a bit of weight in the last half year (about 5% of my initial weight), and I managed to get up my exercise level. A bit of indulgence hopefully won't do any long-lasting harm).

    #163Verfasser Wik (237414) 16 Nov. 22, 18:48

    I mulled for at least five minutes over whether "Ich habe sie vergewissert" is correct German and just, as karla wrote, not very idiomatic, but the more I thought about it the more confused I got, so I dropped it.

    Jesse, in my opinion it was a good decision you just dropped the topic. On the other hand, I don't want your subconciousness to be still confused (and even less so to let Amy-MiMi wonder what we are talking about).

    The explanation for my statement is: I sometimes don't want my rather blunt way of expressing things getting the best of me, so I decided not to say: "Ich habe sie vergewissert" is not idiomatic.

    karla13, oh w(h)ere to start my comments..

    Gosh, Wik – reading this, I instantly felt guilty... What on earth had I (unvoluntarily) done?

    In order not to misname the Irish language, I specifically looked up what 'Gaelic' exactly does mean. After learning that it referred to Gaelic Scottish only, I nevertheless decided to add a little Gaelic flair to the Irish language because I had read that „Gaelic is an adjective that means "pertaining to the Gaels". As a noun it refers to the group of languages spoken by the Gaels, or to any one of the languages individually. Gaelic languages are spoken in Ireland, Scotland, the Isle of Man, and Canada.

    But now I know for sure that in future times I should refrain from using words I am not 100 percent sure about...

    [So as a consequence, my English vocabulary will be reduced to around 50 percent, thank you very much... ]

    I should take offense to some things you write, e.g.:

    You shouldn't. Life would be easier for you if you just told yourself:

    • karla3 doesn't voluntarily intend to offend anybody.
    • She is not as educated and learned as you might think/ she sometimes pretends to be.
    • Don't scold her. Her soul might get hurt. 😇

    In terms of decent British food and drinks I'm easy to please ... why are you expecting British food and drinks in Ireland???

    To tell you the truth: Because when I wrote this last night I believed Ireland belonged to the UK. Don't ask me why. Shit happens, as they say...

    ...Leonids having lived in the UK for quite a longer period of time than you probably have done so far. But I have never lived in the UK!

    Same here.

    But hey, since I'm enjoying a nice brew at the moment (Barry's tea, obviously, not beer ;)) I'll let you off the hook for now.

    *Wriggle, wriggle* … didn't feel very comfortable on the hook... prefer to stand in the corner of the classroom writing „Most of Ireland gained independence from Great Britain following the Anglo-Irish War. Initially formed as a Dominion called the Irish Free State in 1922, the Republic of Ireland became a fully independent republic following the passage of the Republic of Ireland Act in 1949. Northern Ireland remains part of the United Kingdom as a constituent country.“ in my exercise book.

    So maybe I'll sin again. Not to make your life more difficult, but because I am (flawed) as I am. No offense.

    I'm surprised you didn't mention black pudding ;).

    Indeed, the utmost delicacy black pudding wasn't on the breakfast menu, as it wasn't a luxury B&B. I'm actually glad it wasn't -- in this respect ...

    Irish food is difficult. Many products are rather underwhelming in every aspect, and nutrition habits are terrible in large parts of the population. I think Ireland now has the highest incidence of obesity in Europe.

    When I first came to Dublin in the eighties, I only had my English experience (nearly one year as an au-pair) as a reference. The food in my English family was subpar even in comparison to the food in my own German family, and the food I had in Dublin at that time didn't differ much from the dishes I experienced in England.

    Having said that: all tasted British to me, HAHA.

    Returning around the year 2005 to Ireland, I found things had changed considerably for the better. Not only were there many cafés for younger people serving decent, well-priced Irish and „international“ food, but also the produce at fresh markets seemed to be of a comparatively good quality – that of course being a layperson's judgment .

    I know I contradict myself a bit (about healthy eating...), but I'm very excited that I have after all sourced a goose for a St Martin's dinner.

    I don't think you are contradicting yourself at all – on the contrary, shouldn't the food you're enjoyingbe be healthy for you? Talking about soul food for an example...

    So, Sunday is the day, with leftovers Monday and Tuesday.

    Mmmh, enjoy.

    I've lost quite a bit of weight in the last half year (about 5% of my initial weight), and I managed to get up my exercise level.

    Congrats! [So it's 95 kg now.] And thanks to your dog as well!

    A bit of indulgence hopefully won't do any long-lasting harm).

    Supported. Hau rein!

    #164Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  17 Nov. 22, 00:27

    *waving at Amy*

    Wik, I was sitting on my hands on the UK/British item. I know it is a touchy subject in Ireland. But would like to add to your explanation: Irish is used not only for Gaelige, but also for the English language. It is quite funny. (Well, it is funny once you got over the rebuke for calling the language they speak "English".) For the record on having stayed in the UK so long (actually not that long) - I lived longer in Co Dublin. I would also doubt that my English is better than Wik's. But I am not in a competition here.

    @Karla - to explain the English term for Eigentumswohnung

    condo/condominium is the normal term in the USA (condo would be the more used one). And they say apartment when it is a rental

    In the UK/Ireland people most times say apartment/flat (they own).

    I have no idea how freehold came into the description. But then - I am not interested in real estate, so I know these things only from living in places, and not to forget - from having watched "Homes under the Hammer" ... :)

    This is my experience at least. Others might know this differently.

    Wishing Jesse luck with his sale and getting the flat/apartment in Cologne he wants. (Schäl sick?)

    #165Verfasser Dixie (426973) 17 Nov. 22, 15:09

    But would like to add to your explanation: Irish is used not only for Gaelige, but also for the English language.

    Is it? Not in my circles, definitely not. ... Irish is Gaelige, English is English (or Bearla...).

    I've never heard or read "Irish" referring to the English language spoken in Ireland.

    #166Verfasser Wik (237414) 17 Nov. 22, 19:03

    I've never heard or read "Irish" referring to the English language spoken in Ireland.

    Interesting. I can very well remember how someone reacted to me saying English and yes, I heard it referred to as Irish. (I always thought it was confusing considering it is normally used for Gaelige)

    Maybe it changed in the next generation :)

    #167Verfasser Dixie (426973) 17 Nov. 22, 19:22

    Maybe it changed in the next generation :)

    Quite possible.

    I remember a certain pub in Cork where the "locals" (average age probably 70 years) would stop talking when an unknown person entered the premises. They would relax a bit when they heard foreign accents, and the landlord would ask a few questions, but one felt very much like an intruder. Myself, I was kind of cleared, as a German cannot be friend with an Englishman, and, "boy, your crowd really showed it to the f***g English back in the 40ies, like!".... (You might guess where this is going).

    At 11.15, the door was locked, (last order 11.30) and a collection jar for the IRA passed around. Rather scary!

    But this pub closed many years ago, and I hope the sentiment has died with the customers.

    It's a beautiful day here, bright and sunny, albeit cold. I had an early start (walking the dog, and then join a 7.30 meeting set up by my friends in Finland, who are 2 hours ahead...). But it means that I can log off a bit early today. There's a big pot of chicken curry bubbling along for tonight's dinner, and I guess I'll have to make pizza tomorrow, and for Sunday, I got my greedy hands on a goose.

    #168Verfasser Wik (237414) 18 Nov. 22, 13:36

    I'm getting hungry.

    #169Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 18 Nov. 22, 13:54
    Jesse, don't read this or you might get even more hungry...

    I opened the season of wintry stews with wik's quite special recipe of a stew with meat (I used pork instead of chicken because Mr G. doesn't like chicken) and all sorts of root / "underground" veggies, i.e. carrots, parsley roots, beetroot, onions, garlic, a bit of celery root, sweet and other potatoes. (Some of the veggies are not in wik's original recipe.) What makes it so special is a mixture of honey, mustard and lemon juice and peel which is added to the stew and makes the juice soooo wonderfully tasty...especially with fresh bread dipped into it.

    It came out, as expected, absolutely delicious.
    #170Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 21 Nov. 22, 14:33

    Hm, Goldammer, this sounds delicious. But I just searched this chat - I cannot find the recipe. Could you, pretty please, link it, so the people getting hungry (well, not me, I just made lunch) can refer to it and start the shopping list?

    Curious note - as I had been wondering about it for a while - do you think parsley root (Petersilienwurzeln, as I know them) are the same as parsnip? Or am I on a very wooden <6g>woodway? :)

    #171Verfasser Dixie (426973) 21 Nov. 22, 14:40

    Parsley roots and parsnips are similar, but not identical, as I found out some time ago. Parsnips are on the market here as Pastinaken - often side by side with parsley roots in the supermarket. I had some parsley roots to use up and no parsnips, so I exchanged them. Wik has parsnips in his original recipe.

    I think wik shared the recipe some time ago, maybe one or two years. I will send you the recipe (which I wrote down in German for my recipe folder) via PM - and of course to everybody else who wants it.

    #172Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 21 Nov. 22, 14:51

    Why, Dixie, Petersilienwurzeln (parsley root) certainly aren't the same as Pastinaken (parsnips).

    I can dig out the original recipe for you (most conveniently, a photograph of the original recipe from a book), it's a rather easy and delicious one.

    Goldammer, glad that I could provide some idea/basic recipe that you could adapt and make delicious with what you have at hand.

    My goose turned out ok, but at some stage I must have put some washing up liquid into the gravy, so that was a no-no.

    Good practice for the Christmas turkey, though, and there's enough goose fat and red cabbage for December 25th.

    #173Verfasser Wik (237414) 21 Nov. 22, 14:55

    Thank you, both. Goldammer sent me the recipe, so I am sorted and will maybe pass/visit Aldi on my way home after the gym to try out the recipe tomorrow.

    Well, parsnip/parsley root - I always liked both, met parsnips in England back in the day before the internet and, then left the world of parsley root and never fully compared them. When Goldammer mentioned parsley root I just remembered my long-ago thinking of them being the same. They are not, will clear that corner of my brain and put some other mad assumption there. :)

    Happy stormy Monday!

    #174Verfasser Dixie (426973) 21 Nov. 22, 18:03

    Ich habe nicht alles gelesen, sehe aber, dass die Rede von Pastinaken ist. Ich mag sie. Ich habe sie erst bei meinen Schwiegereltern gegessen. Leider kaufe ich sie selten.

    Hier ist ziemlich viel passiert. Am Donnerstag...habe ich das schon erzählt? Plötzlich kam mir vor, als ob ich das schon gemacht hatte. Na ja. Am Donnerstag ist...wow, irre. Ich habe total das Gefühl, dass ich diese Geschichte schon auf Deutsch erzählt habe. Hmm, womöglich habe ich sie einer Kollegin erzählt. Am Donnerstag ist Herr MiMi gestürzt, hat sich das Nasenbein gebrochen, musste ins Krankenhaus transportiert werden, wurde geröntgt (warum nicht geröntget?) und untersucht. Nächste Woche müssen die Knochenbrüche nochmal untersucht werden, zum Glück hat er so gut wie keine Schmerzen.

    Zum Thanksgiving hatten wir vor, meine Schwägerin und meinen Schwager auf dem Milchhof zu besuchen. Ein paar Tage übernachten, das Festessen zusammen zubereiten und genießen, die Zeit mit vielen Gesellschaftsspielen verbringen, Bonnie auf dem Hof toben lassen...aber die Schwägerin und der Schwager wurden letzte Woche krank. Corona-Tests hatten sie keine, also werden wir es nie wissen. Inzwischen geht es ihnen viel besser. Die Pläne mussten geändert werden. Ich muss alles hier bei uns zubereiten, d.h. noch mal einkaufen, und Hs Freund sollte am Donnerstag zu uns kommen. Aber nein, gestern hatte H Halsschmerzen. Heute geht es ihr nicht gut. Ich holte Corona-Tests ab und ja, sie ist heute Mittag positiv aufs Coronavirus getestet worden. Ich bin noch negativ aufs Virus getestet worden. Hoffentlich werden Herr MiMi und ich nicht krank. Aber, na ja, bis jetzt sind die Ferien nicht ganz so toll.

    Wenigstens scheint die Sonne. Und Bonnie ist fit und munter.

    Falls jemand den Dokumentarfilm Bad Axe sehen kann, schlage ich ihn vor.

    2020 im "Daumen" von Michigan. Corona. Lockdown. Black Lives Matter. Rassismus. Familienstress. Das Beste und das Schlimmste an Amerika hautnah miterlebt.

    Making discomfiting statements about American political willpower and race relations, Bad Axe offers a close-up perspective on societal turmoil during the COVID-19 pandemic.


    Nov 18, 2022

    Cody Dericks 

    Next Best Picture

    “Bad Axe” may be the best time capsule of the worst year that most of us have lived through, painting a portrait of resiliency and family bonds that’s uniquely American, for better and for worse.

    Ich weiß nicht, was nicht Amerikaner vom Film halten werden, aber ich fand den Film super. Wäre die Fahrt nicht ganz so lang, wären Herr MiMi und ich an meinem Geburtstag hingefahren, und hätten bei Rachel's gegessen. https://www.rachelsofbadaxe.com/

    Das einzige Haar in der Suppe ist, dass die Familie scheint die Universität Michigan anzufeuern. Na ja, es gibt solche und solche.

    #175Verfasser Amy-MiMi (236989) 22 Nov. 22, 21:40

    warum nicht geröntget?

    An excellent question that leaves me without a good answer for the time being.

    All the best for Mr. Mimi!

    #176Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 22 Nov. 22, 21:49

    warum nicht geröntget?

    Kann ich nicht mit Sicherheit beantworten, aber "hören - gehört" "röntgen - geröntgt"....

    As the verb is derived from a name, and a rather (well in broader terms) recent addition to the dictionary, it might just be one of the cases of "Weil: iss so".

    All the best wishes to Mr MiMi, H and yourself. Must be cruel, first an injury, then Covid, and all the plans for Thanksgiving are cancelled? I wish you all the best! It's likely that Mr MiMi or yourself will catch Covid, seeing that H is tested positive, but if so, since you are vaccinated, you hopefully will get away with a very mild dose of it. My prayers are with you all!

    May I ask, which university (I guess you are talking about college sports?) is supported by the house of Amy-MiMi?

    Parsnips are great! I first came across them when I moved to Ireland, but they are a firm staple these days during the winter months. Great as roasted vegetables, in a stew, or as a soup. Boiled and mashed, less so, but still ok in my books. I have a lovely recipe for a parsnip gratin as well.

    Dixie, it was a foggy Tuesday here, would have appreciated some wind, as the drive to work was very exhausting. Today is bright and calm. With the usual delay, you might be in for good enough weather tomorrow.

    carla13, I'm still hoping to read a sceil (Irish for story, often with a bit of space for creativity) about your settling down in a (so far) unidentified location "not too far" from Madeira :)


    #177Verfasser Wik (237414) 23 Nov. 22, 11:47

    Oh well, Amy-MiMi! Quite awful news....

    #178Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  23 Nov. 22, 18:21
    Oh - i just noticed that I had failed to wish all the best to Amy herself, instead of just her husband. Sorry for that!
    #179Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 23 Nov. 22, 18:24

    (Jesse interfered with Edith...)

    My best wishes for Mr Mimi and H!

    And I'll keep my fingers crossed that you parents might get spared of covid...I've heard all sorts of stories of family members who didn't catch it despite others in the family who had it....

    do keep us posted!

    It seems the minority of people (like us) who haven't had covid is getting really tiny...

    #180Verfasser Goldammer (428405)  23 Nov. 22, 18:25

    Best wishes to the entire MiMi family. I hope you can still enjoy Thanksgiving somehow. Even if you should not go out at 3 am on Friday morning to catch some bargains. :)

    [I've seen a Walmart ad earlier and I need to pull out some Mac'n'Cheese recipes]

    Wik: I don't think our wind would have helped, it was from SEE, so it would have followed you around.

    #181Verfasser Dixie (426973) 23 Nov. 22, 19:06
    Dixie: one can try… glorious day today, until the afternoon rain hit 😩

    Just out of a parent-teacher meeting, all is well there.
    Leftover Chili con carne converted into enchiladas tonight, to warm up a girl that came home pretty much soaked to the bones from riding lessons.

    More controversial discussions tomorrow on a project budget. Whoever approved that one (don’t ask me, I refuse any knowledge who might have done it, it was a year before I even knew about this company) was… not in the same reality as I am. But hey, they pay me to sort these things out, I guess
    #182Verfasser Wik (237414) 23 Nov. 22, 19:28

    Whoever approved that one (don’t ask me, I refuse any knowledge who might have done it, it was a year before I even knew about this company) was… not in the same reality as I am.

    Well, I feel with you, I know what you are talking about. Be strong. Don't turn German, stay Irish. :)

    We had rain in the morning, sunshine in the afternoon.

    Little Alexa anecdote: I chatted with someone in the gym this morning (about the glum weather) and we commented on the weather not matching the forecast. She told me that she had asked this morning "Alexa, will there be rain today in hometown" and Alexa said "it will be sunny and dry".

    It was pelting down outside :)

    #183Verfasser Dixie (426973) 23 Nov. 22, 22:17

    Hello dearest snails! Back from Berlin where I've spent eight days. We had a family gathering for a kind of memorial "party" for my mother; my brother, his children and his ex-wife (who still is one of my best friends, and, as my brother is badly disabled, helping her children with the sorting of things and cleaning up in my mother's house). The meeting was thought to have kind of a ceremony together as there was no funeral (I think I've told the story), my brother had no possibility to say good-bye at the hospital etc. etc.

    It was a very nice meetng. We had collected pictures and stories from our mother's live, telling them, and my sister-in-law and her children even had found a folder with old letters in my mother's house - the first letters between my mother and her later husband, who passed away last December. She had kept them! Reading some lines from those letters was just hilarious. (They had met on a trip to Israel 1987.) She wrote to him: "I don't know what impression you gathered (?) from me, but I don't hope hope you think...." "ich würde reihenweise Männerherzen knicken." How would you translate this sentence? Both were so sweet in their letters, waiting desperately for the next opportunity to meet (my mother was in the process of getting divorced from her present husband*). In the end they moved together, first into an apartment, then they bought the house and got married, and lived together the longest time of all her marriages. (*My mother was married three times, my father beeing the first one. Complicated family as already mentioned on another opportunity.)

    Besides that, it was my first time in 23 years that I didn't stay at my mother's house. Instead I've rented an apartment and enjoyed myself (first day nice and sunny, and then came the snow... so shopping for some warmer clothes was necessary). We chose this time of the year because on Sunday it was our mother's 80th birthday. But for the future I decided to pick "nicer" seasons for visitng Berlin (although Christmas Market at Charlottenburg Castle was nice - and I was close, spending some time there on my last evening, having a "Glühwein" and bying a beautiful big and colourful paper star for our window). Beeing back in Switzerland it is warmer here!

    #184Verfasser virus (343741) 24 Nov. 22, 07:51

    Whoops, it’s getting dark already, and I must not forget to say “Happy Thanksgiving to Amy-MiMi and all the other left pondians that may read the CC secretly. 🤩

    C U asap. *g*

    #185Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  24 Nov. 22, 18:16

    Dixie: funny, I would be interested to know how many of the CC snails are actually using Alexa. We don't.

    But the issue there is obviously not Alexa, but the data fed in. I used to rely on a weather app provided by MetEireann which used to be very reliable for the forecasts over the coming 48 hours. Not anymore, things seem to shift hourly. I'm pretty sure it's not the methodology or the people.

    Amy-MiMi, hm--us (if you are still occasionally have a look in here), and all other leftpondians: Happy Thanksgiving!

    RenaRd: any update on your Magnum opus?

    virus: I know, I'm (not incorrectly) known here as a rather emotion-deprived person. But I have to admit, your story moved my heart. She wrote to him: "I don't know what impression you gathered (?) from me, but I don't hope hope you think...." "ich würde reihenweise Männerherzen knicken." How would you translate this sentence?

    Some things shouldn't be translated. Full stop, Point, End-of-it!!!

    (I might propose, under serious distress): "But I hope you don't think I am a woman who has created a trail of heartbroken suitors". But then this is my first thought, and a much better worded version is easily available. ) But hey, I have tears in my eyes, and I will listen to H. Groenemeyer's song: "Ich hab gerade zaertlich, an dich gedacht, wie du, behutsam und ganz sacht, mich total verrueckt gemacht." Nobody can translate this and evoke the same emotions, at least for me.


    #186Verfasser Wik (237414) 24 Nov. 22, 19:45

    RenaRD, nice to see you again here, it's been a while!

    virus, a heartwarming story, indeed.

    #187Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 24 Nov. 22, 20:01

    Omg, how verpeilt can one be????????

    I just spent quite some time bashteling a new snailhouse (i.e. listing the participants and writing highlights), only then realized that we are only nearing the 200, not 300.....

    Well, I saved the document on my desktop, maybe it will come in handy whenever we need it....

    #188Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 24 Nov. 22, 21:45

    Welcome to the best of us, Goldammer!

    #189Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 24 Nov. 22, 22:49

    Wow, I am happy (and wasn't expecting) that this little story would touch your hearts in such a way. It certainly touched ours! Thank you so much. For me, there is this truth in it: Someone (beloved) is only dead if nobody remembers them. And we certainly always will. (It's my "job" to collect everything and kind of (re)crystallize it into a memory album, texts and pictures. I happily volunteered on this.)

    Go for it, Goldammer! 😉

    #190Verfasser virus (343741)  26 Nov. 22, 00:19

    This was a nice story, indeed. And sorry for the loss of your mother (I must have missed it in the previous CC).

    Wik: I am not using Alexa, I have an aversion to this kind of interaction. I deliberately bought my Sonos speakers without the voice function.

    #191Verfasser Dixie (426973) 26 Nov. 22, 17:21
    Why, Goldammer, thank you for doing the work for the next shell! Might be after Christmas, but it’s great that you are picking up the batton.
    A lazy day today, after a few nights with bad sleep. Deadlines looming at work, a bit of a cold, and just feeling a bit down at the moment.
    At last, I got a car load of “Sperrmüll” to the landfill. Food shopping, some baking, a long nap in the afternoon, and finally a bit more attention to perfecting this lasagna… And a walk with Toby.

    Dixie, my sister in law uses Alexa all the time. I got paranoid after staying with them for a long weekend. It’s scary, though, how often people I’m talking to are surprised that I have no Alexa, or Siri, or whatever. If sometimes feels like Wikling’s reaction to being told, that there were no mobile phones when I grew up.
    #192Verfasser Wik (237414) 26 Nov. 22, 20:37

    I know exactly one other person (and she's only a sort of "remote acquaintance" to whom I have lost contact meanwhile) who uses Alexa, Siri or anything like it.

    Maybe I live in a strange bubble, a sort of time capsule locked in the past?

    #193Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 26 Nov. 22, 20:54

    I've never used Alexa, nor have I ever considered doing so. I do use Siri, but only on my iPhone; not with any kind of speakers.

    So far I'm quite comfortable with switching things in our house on and off with my still nimble fingers.

    #194Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 26 Nov. 22, 22:55

    Dixie, thanks for the explanation re „Eigentumswohnung“. Did you "speak" from an AE or a BE perspective?

    I still haven't figured out your whereabouts – yes, I know, for somebody who'd rather keep her mouth shut even about her country of residence this question really sounds nosy and a little insolent. But: no offense, you don't „have“ to answer anyway – and if you do, it would only be for my better understanding of your background when referring to places you're obviously „sharing“ with Wik – maybe on the same island?

    OMG, I hope there isn't a huge Fettnäpfchen just waiting around the corner for me now – can you also apologize in advance like thanking in advance? If so, I'd please opt for this option.

    Wik, I've got the impression that you're not only a passionate cook but that you also love to vary your family's diet (I hope that expresses correctly what I intend to say) – it's chicken curry for dinner one evening, then next day home-made pizza and on the third day goose, followed by next week's lasagna, chili con carne etc. – those dishes to me all seem to be rather time-consuming and elaborate to prepare. Are you really – apart from all your other manifold duties, chores and hobbies including gardening – capable of serving (including food-shopping) your family a delicious, healthy and varied meal (dinner) every day?

    I am asking from the perspective of a mother of three, full-time worker with also some hobbies and pastimes. In this time, I always felt like running after my children, job, married life, cooking, shopping, cleaning, meeting friends and family AND one or two pleasures. Well, things have changed considerably by now, and I'm neither complaining about the past nor about the present. Let's see what the future will bring.

    As always, my posting is already getting longer than planned – but please let me ask why, preparing the goose, you „at some stage must have put some washing up liquid into the gravy,“? Nobody has dared to ask so far, so I'll be the first one. What made you do so? Pure accident aka inattentiveness? Just curious...

    As for the sceil you asked for in #177 (and I'm glad somebody finally did, hehe), I'll promise to tell one or two about my settling down „in a (so far) unidentified location“ in the not so far future.

    Goldammer, the description of your wintry stew (inspired by Wik's recipe) was really mouth-watering. Would you mind sending me the recipe as well? Thanks in advance.

    [As for already preparing the successor of our thread: Don't worry, IMO that makes you a real woman of the future, a forsightful trendsetter – I would nearly go as far as calling you an influencer... (only pulling your leg – no offense intended). Thanks anyway – could have happened to me as well.]

    Amy-MiMi, I was really sorry to read about the misfortunes within your family's life, and I hope by now everything has worked out in so far that your husband is on his way to recovery after his fall, and that H. has only caught a mild form of Covid. And you both hopefully didn't catch it at all. Keeping my fingers crossed.

    RenaRd, thanks for your short visit, and please do come back soon! Hope your music project advances quickly.

    virus, first of all I'd like to express my deep condolences for the loss of your mother. I too found the story you told about her (and for example her third husband), and your family reunion as a whole very touching – thanks for sharing.

    I got emotional, too, by your mentioning of my home town Berlin – not that I don't love the place I've moved to from there three years ago – on the contrary. And not that I especially like Berlin in the winter months from November to February/March onwards, but anyway, it brings back any kind of memories of half a life-time there.

    As for Alexa (or Siri or whosoever): even though I've heard about those potentially nosy ladies, they haven't permanently entered my house yet – and they won't in the future, if I've still the saying. Some of my international friends and guests have already tried (few of them successfully) to secretly let them in (acting as spies in my own house) – but just being my usual self made them flee the scene quite quickly.

    #195Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  27 Nov. 22, 06:22
    I guess the elaborate cooking and varied diet is a “bad habit” from the time I didn’t work.
    Granted, the goose was a bit more work than usual; but all the others are quite short in the actual hands-on interaction, even if the cooking times might be long.
    (And the clever cook scales up to get 2 or 3 meals out of a pot of curry (some frozen), a leftover Chili con carne can be used for enchiladas the next day. Lasagna is enough for two meals, especially with a little side salad. Leftover pizza is great as a lunch the day after…). Usually, I prepare things in the evening, when I have the time to chop and stir, to have them ready the next day for dinner time (other than cooking some rice or pasta or potatoes).
    In retrospect, the gravy disaster was most likely caused by me doing several things at the same time. It appears I had deglazed the roasting tin and transferred the juices into a pot, the put some washing up liquid into the tin to soak it. Turned around to do something else and something else. And the tried to scrape the last bits of juices from the roasting tin into the gravy pot…

    To Dixie’s whereabouts I cannot say anything. But I am pretty sure we are not residing in the same region, currently.
    #196Verfasser Wik (237414) 27 Nov. 22, 06:55

    Wik, now we're talking... I should've mentioned that my cooking life as a mother consisted of (often) cleverly planned or spontaneously combined or supplemented dishes. Cooking dinner one day usually meant having food prepared for at least two, if not three days. I also did preparational works like chopping and stirring in the evenings or even at night -- or at some point of teenagers' lives I managed to delegate the chopping part. That was "only" a question of mild motherly influencing and motivating... 😇

    But IF for example my sons would decide (out of the blue) to eat half a chicken each for lunch instead of just a quarter -- like they "normally" did -- then of course my optimistic plans would pathetically collide like a card house. Planning gets more implannable with three karla13-offsprings than with one Wikling, I suppose.

    Bad luck about the gravy-washing up liquid incident -- I won't mention the worn-out saying about men not being able to do several tasks at a time -- no, I definitely won't 😀 because I myself am not able to do so either.

    So, please enjoy your morning coffee (or whatever) -- and don't try to read your Sunday newspaper at the same time -- could then turn out to be the Bible, hehe...

    #197Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 27 Nov. 22, 08:07

    WOW! That’s what I call a rat race: Sixty postings in the three weeks I was absent. About a fortnights ago I wrote the following comments, but didn’ sent them, waiting for a better opportunity.


    I apologize for having mistyped your nickname, Karla13. Please blame it on my eye disease that often leads my finger to a key right beside the correct one. I type my postings with Word™ already in order to avoid too many mistakes, but the programme doesn’t know personal names.


    @ WIK. My remark regarding beer was rather meant tongue-in-cheek (which I didn’t state by adding a smiley) and influenced by local patriotism. When I “learned” drinking beer Dortmund was well known for at least eight big breweries among smaller ones. For decades Dortmund was the ultimate German Beer Metropolis when it came to draught beer. Unfortunately the bosses missed the chance to go international like Becks® did (as far as I remember) and were either closed or bought out (by Radeberger, I guess).


    My Magnum Opus is rapidly coming to an end, btw. Or else I still woulldn’t have the time to sit down for hours reading and writing at LEO’s.


    I can’t decide which of the many topics I should respond to, so I better concentrate on last week’s events.


    I’ve been missing you, Dixie. It’s nice to have you here again, hungry or not. :D

    #s 171 – 173: I find it unfair to talk about a recipe and sending it secretly by PM. May I ask you , WIK, to present it here by uploading the picture?

    All the best to your husband, Amy-MiMi, By the time I write this he’s most probably safe and sound again, I assume. As to your question regarding “gerönzgt” is my guess that the verb “röntgen” is (Despite the fact that the X-rays have been invented by Prof. Röntgen) conjugated like any other verb ending –gen, like legen/gelegt, hegen/gehegt, etc..

    Why should someone nut support the University of Michigan. What’s wrong with it? What is it about anyway, donating a new library or cheering on a football team?


    @ Goldammer: No corrections for Amy? It seems you neglect your duty. _o)

    No covid for me and my wife so far, too. But we know many who had covid two or three times. I myself haven’t left the house for months, as you can imagine but Mrs RenaRd goes shopping every day – masked, of course.


    @ virus; What an interesting and heartwarming story. I often fell in love when I was young, but got married just once (54 years ago). Probably my other affairs haven’t been serious enough. Or am I not impulsive enough? There must have been funny discussions at the meeting in spite of the sad occasion.


    I must have missed some infos here regarding your whereabouts, Karla13. What happened to Madeira and the sailor to live with happily ever after? If it was a fairy tale I’d like to know more.


    And now that the day is coming to an end in Upper Swabia I's like to wish you all a happy and peaceful First Sunday of Advent.

    #198Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  27 Nov. 22, 17:15

    @ RenaRd: Not posting the recipe here isn't about secrecy but about not spamming the Crossover Chat with material that might interest only a minority. I sent it to you as well as Dixie who also asked for it.

    Upload of pictures is btw not possible in Leo....

    #199Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 27 Nov. 22, 18:56

    RenaRd, I do apologize for even having mentioned the misspelling at all -- truth be told I liked the name "karly13" so much that I thought about adapting it as my nickname in emotional times. So whatever you call me, I'll recognize myself, haha.

    I must confess that you haven't missed any piece of information regarding my exact whereabouts, RenaRd. As you are now, apart from Wik, the second CCler asking for a follow-up story about Madeira and the fairytale sailor, I'll gladly deliver it asap, but please allow me first do what I already intended to do yesterday, and that's offering Amy some corrections for her #175.

    I hope I don't interfere with Goldammer's or anybody else's "duties" by doing so? Please tell me if there are (unwritten) rules to be followed in the CC as I wouldn't like to break them. It's only that I would like to receive corrections as well, so I'm more than glad to offer some.

    Goldammer, thanks a lot for also sending me Wik's mouth-watering recipe with your slight alterations. I'll tell you all about the outcome -- but just by reading it I''m already sure that the result will be more than delicious. Thanks, Wik, too.

    #200Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  28 Nov. 22, 03:03

    Re #175 @Amy-MiMi

    Thank you for your long, partly sad and partly interesting posting in nearly perfect German, Amy. I hope things have returned back to "normal" by now for your husband, H. and you (seemingly the least affected). But let's start from the beginning:

    • Ich habe sie erst schon bei meinen Schwiegereltern gegessen.
    • Plötzlich kam kommt es mir so vor, als ob ich das schon gemacht hätte.
    • Zum Thanksgiving hatten wir vor, ...
    • ...aber die meine Schwägerin und der mein Schwager wurden letzte Woche krank.
    • Corona-Tests hatten sie keine gemacht, also werden wir es nie wissen (erfahren).
    • Die Pläne mussten geändert werden. [Correct. More idiomatic: Wir mussten die/ unsere Pläne ändern.]
    • Ich holte besorgte Corona-Tests ab und ja, sie ist heute Mittag positiv aufs Coronavirus getestet worden. ['abholen' would mean that you'd ordered the tests beforehand and would now fetch them. But I'm assuming you just got them from somewhere.]

    • Falls jemand den Dokumentarfilm Bad Axe sehen kann, schlage empfehle ich ihn vor.
    • 2020 im "Daumen"* von Michigan. [*I don't understand your 'Daumen'. Anybody?]

    • Ich weiß nicht, was Nicht-Amerikaner vom Film halten werden, aber ich fand den Film super.
    • Das einzige Haar in der Suppe ist, dass die Familie die Universität Michigan anzufeuern* scheint.

    Wäre die Fahrt nicht ganz so lang, wären Herr MiMi und ich an meinem Geburtstag hingefahren, und hätten bei Rachel's gegessen. https://www.rachelsofbadaxe.com/

    Retrospective congratulations to your birthday, dear Amy! I really liked and appreciate your recommendation and I think I'd like the documentary, the family and their restaurant, too. Like RenaRd, I don't quite understand why they shouldn't support the University of Michigan? I suppose you want to say 'understützen' instead of 'anfeuern'*? Please advise.

    #201Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  28 Nov. 22, 03:46

    No unwritten rule about who gives whom correcturitos, karla!

    #202Verfasser Goldammer (428405) 28 Nov. 22, 09:54

    No written one either, as far as I'm aware.

    #203Verfasser Jesse_Pinkman (991550) 28 Nov. 22, 10:00

    karla13: the Michigan thumb is a region in (surprise/surprise) Michigan.

    I guess the comment about supporting a university (be it The University of Michigan/Michigan State University ....) is to be taken in the context of university sports etc. They are much more popular and socially important in the US than in Germany, and a great deal of pride and passion is expressed by the participants and supporters. If you are a supporter of one university, you might not "like" somebody supporting a rival institution. It's in my understanding mostly a friendly rivalry. A bit like in the Irish GAA sports. You are born into your county, you are happy about your rivals' misfortunes, and you lament your own team's failings, and you never change sides. That wouldn't keep you from doing business with somebody from the other side, or be friends with them "off the pitch", or get married to somebody, but when the match is on....

    • Ich habe sie erst schon bei meinen Schwiegereltern gegessen.

    This changes the sense, IMHO, to something that was not meant. "Ich habe sie zum ersten Mal bei meinen Schwiegereltern gegessen" maybe?

    RenaRd, I figured your comment about drinks were a bit tongue in cheek. Just like my occasional dips at the Swabians, it's sometimes necessary to pull a line in the sand for "neighbours". These pesky Belgians with their fancy beers... but they don't use the Reinheitsgebot!!!

    With regard to the recipe, it's rather unique. I don't mind sharing it with friends. But since it is from a book, it wouldn't be fair of me to share to the broader public. Especially since the author is a very friendly person. who gave me some very nice and helpful comments on social media.

    More maybe later, a busy day!

    Edit: I was due to receive feedback on some document I've been working, and instead of the expected (and workload wise planned) list of improvements, the agency was very complimentary, only minimal fixes required. Delighted, overall, but a bit disappointed, that there are some mess-ups language-wise...

    Still, another 2 hours of working time I can use for other things :)

    #204Verfasser Wik (237414)  28 Nov. 22, 10:47

    Wik, thanks for pointing out the possible meaning of the supporting-the-University part in Amy's posting -- that explanation does certainly make sense. Nevertheless, I'd have suspected something more serious, like for example a political point of view/attitude being expressed in some kind of university statement. Anyway, if your explanation were correct, and why shouldn't it be, an emoticon would've helped me to better understand the value/depth of the remark (--> rather tongue in cheek or not).

    Maybe Amy could resolve the matter when she appears on the CC again -- hopefully with good and comforting news about her family and herself.

    This changes the sense, IMHO,...

    It does indeed, I completely agree with you. Frankly, I was too lazy at this point of writing to ask for the underlying sense, but should've done so. My bad.

    ...to something that was not meant.

    That's IMO exactly the question --> What was meant?

    "Ich habe sie zum ersten Mal bei meinen Schwiegereltern gegessen" maybe?

    Yes, maybe... 😉. Let's wait for Amy to re-appear.

    ...but when the match is on...

    Sounds like our LEO "Rudimentäres WM-Tippspiel" -- as long as the games are on, we're all rivals, and as soon as each of us has received her/his well-earnt whatsoever-points, we're all friends and comrades again. 😛

    Congrats for the positive feedback you've received from the agency -- hope that you could spend your saved working hours for something delightful like gardening with Wikling or walking Toby to a nice, dog-friendly spot.

    #205Verfasser karla13 (1364913) 28 Nov. 22, 19:11

    Cooking dinner one day usually meant having food prepared for at least two, if not three days. I also did preparational works like chopping and stirring in the evenings or even at night -- or at some point of teenagers' lives I managed to delegate the chopping part.

    karla13, in my case it is different nowadays: I do the chopping for my child. My son and I have a strong "cooking relationship" which started somehow before he left for a one-year stay in Japan (Tokyo). (We were invited to a Chinese colleague / friend for celebrating Chinese New Year by making Jiaozi together at her place. The Japanese Gyoza are nothing else. My son's host mother was impressed by the pictures I've sent her.)

    When he was younger I've made him help with rolling the Semmelknödel at the age of 10-11, he helped with other little things in the kitchen but at some point he got so interested in cooking that I take him for the groceries, let him decide and I am the "little helper" in the kitchen. (At least, I still have some valuable tips and tricks for all kinds of kitchen questions...) And, of course, his way to clean the kitchen is not my way. Hrrm.

    #206Verfasser virus (343741)  29 Nov. 22, 00:47

    virus, your "strong "cooking relationship" with your son sounds like a very nice, binding and heart-warming connection. Gyoza -- yummie! Though unfortunately I haven't been to Japan yet, I 've eaten Chinese Jiaozi in many places with a Chinese community and I love them. But I wouldn't for the life of me be capable of producing them myself, as I'm not a gifted handy woman. So I admire your son (and you) even more.

    [Funny, I just thought about Ravioli (and other sorts of dumplings) being similar to Jiaozi, and learnt that (sorry for posting this part in German) they are "in Korea als Mandu bekannt. Es gibt Ähnlichkeiten zu den schwäbischen Maultaschen, polnischen Piroggen, ukrainischen Wareniki, russischen Pelmeni und den türkischen Mantı." The reference to the Maultaschen might be interesting for Goldammer and RenaRd.]

    "Jiaozi are Chinese dumplings commonly eaten in China and other parts of East Asia. Jiaozi are folded to resemble Chinese sycee (??) and have great cultural significance attached to them within China. Jiaozi are one of the major dishes eaten during the Chinese New Year throughout Northern China and eaten all year round in the northern provinces. Though considered part of Chinese cuisine, jiaozi are popular in other parts of East Asia and in the Western world, where a fried variety is sometimes called potstickers in North America and Chinese dumplings in the UK and Canada. The English-language term "potsticker" is a calque of the Mandarin word "guotie".

    Jiaozi typically consist of a ground meat and/or vegetable filling wrapped into a thinly rolled piece of dough, which is then sealed by pressing the edges together. Finished jiaozi can be boiled, steamed, pan fried, or deep fried, and are traditionally served with a black vinegar and sesame oil dip. They can also be served in a soup." Wikipedia link

    Sorry for letting myself being carried away. Furthermore, now I'm hungry.

    It really seems that you and your son form an excellent cooking and food shopping team, virus. I agree, the cleaning part is always "difficult" with children, but hey, who does really care? The creative parts of culinary experiences are IMO more likely to become important in their lives.

    My three children are quite close in age and understanding (the two boys being twins anyway) and always loved to help in the kitchen -- which I always strongly supported, partly out of the necessity to have at least a little bit of leisure time for myself.

    The three of them started quite early to take over some parts of the cooking and even shopping chores, even doing little competitions amongst them (for example: who can produce the best Berliner Bouletten?).

    Goldammer, what about your sons? Are they at all good and/or interested in cooking?

    #207Verfasser karla13 (1364913)  29 Nov. 22, 02:46

    Ha, when it comes to the shopping team: My son is really able to talk me into things I wouldn't do by my own. So, with the idea to make beef tacos like the famous "Ana's tacos" from San Pedro, Belize, we bought the ingredients - and for the beef it had to be entrecote. Noblesse oblige! (They were really yummy, of course.)

    To stay with food, here is a story I've told in the "Zählfaden":

    My colleague from way back (around 1995-1997) and I had a "gummy bear" relationship. That is, each of us had a drawer at the bottom of our desks, in which there was an emergency supply of gummy bears. When an emergency arose (craving for sugar or whatsoever), we were allowed to go to the other's drawer without asking. After I once had given him kind of a funny gummy bear birthday present, I got a single gummy bear for my next birthday, which weighed 400 g... (Impossible to eat. The mass was so dense that even a knife wouldn't really cut through. So it stayed as a decoration on my desk, having lost a little part of one foot...)

    #208Verfasser virus (343741)  29 Nov. 22, 11:59

    You’re still talking about cooking, and all I can contribute is the title of a magnificent film called Eat Srink, Man, Woman. It’s about a Chinese cook and his daughters.


    I prefer eating to cooking. In fact I’m hardly able to cook except for canned soups. Well, my scrambled eggs have often been liked. That’s it. Being in a kitchen was no part of my education. In my childhood I was playing in the woods after school and homework was done, and a great deal of my secondary school years I spent on public school(s) because my mother had to lead a company. The first warm meal I prepared was at my apprenticeship, a stock cube (Maggi® Brühwürfel) dissolved in a glass of boiled water. Delicious, when you’re hungry. After I proudly talked about it my mother treated me to lunch specials on a subscription basis. And from time to time I indulged myself a “Kronentopf” (In other regions known as Mozarttopf, Senatortopf, and so on), i.e. three medaillons on potatoes Lyonnaises with peas and carrots and Sauce Hollandaise. Mhmm.


    Fortunately Mrs RenaRd evolved into an excellent cook, which, on the other hand, kept me from looking over her shoulder – she would always be better than me. After 50 years of cooking the passion is gone – you may imagine that – and it drives her crazy when I, watching a cookery show on TV, ask her something like “Hey, that Chicken Tikka Masala looks good. What do you think about ..?”

    Well, it’s too late to start a cooking career, because I can’t identify the buttons at the microwave or the adjustments of the oven anymore, not to mention reading a recipe. No reason to pity me: Mrs RenaRd always finds something to meet my taste.

    #209Verfasser RenaRd (907225)  03 Dez. 22, 18:15
    I post this, because I recommended the series in question a few posts up, and we touched the subject of Irish/British some weeks ago. Carla13, you certainly are not the only one erroneously including Irish things into the term “British”.

    RenaRd, I’d say you are a member of the large majority of men of your generation that never got much exposure to kitchen work.
    Although I live in a bit of a foodie bubble, it seems that my generation has quite a few members (of all genders) who cannot peel a potato or boil some carrots.

    I’m exhausted, we hosted a birthday party for Wikling and 9 of her friends. It’s Wine o’clock now
    #210Verfasser Wik (237414) 03 Dez. 22, 21:40

    Wow, Wik, that sounds really exhausting. And I like the "wine o'clock"...

    RenaRd, at least Mrs RenaRd still meets your taste. And I suppose by purpose. Isn't this a sign of affection - if not love? I also like your story about the (Maggi® Brühwürfel). That reminds me of the famous "Lolland-Becher" on many of our sailing cruises on the Baltic Sea. We and our sailing friends used to have a tradition on storing essential food on board of the vessel we rented (usually a 42-feet sailing yacht, 3 cabins) which was: beer (those days ago from Bavaria since the friends were living there), some canned foods, Brühwürfel etc etc. The rest was bought fresh. Canned foods would include "Würstchen" as well (or in a glass, we don't get that here in Switzerland, interestingly). So, Brühwürfel and Würstchen are the main (if not only) ingredients of the famous Lolland-Becher: A mug with warm broth topped with a Würstchen. Warm, salty, comforting.

    #211Verfasser virus (343741) 04 Dez. 22, 22:39
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