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    If it wasn't / weren't for Brexit... (BE)

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    If it wasn't / weren't for Brexit... (BE)

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    Hi,


    werden in GB beide Formen verwendet?

    If it wasn't for Brexit,... -> colloquial English
    If it weren't... -> formal English?

    Danke
    Verfasser WittGenStein (1323045) 01 Jun. 23, 11:42
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    Yes, both are used. I think you're about right with the colloquial/formal distinction.

    #1Verfasser amw (532814) 01 Jun. 23, 11:58
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    👍🏿
    #2Verfasser WittGenStein (1323045) 01 Jun. 23, 12:18
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    I wouldn't say the phrase "if it weren't for" is actually formal, though; just more so than "if it wasn't for".

    It's like "If I were you", I think, in that you can use it without any awareness of the grammar behind it.

    #3Verfasser CM2DD (236324) 01 Jun. 23, 12:19
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    #3
    Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob ich dich richtig verstanden habe.
    Du verortest
    "if it wasn't /weren't for..." auf derselben Registerebene (BE) und vergleichst es mit "if I were / was you", welches du ebenfalls auf der selben Registerebene (BE) verortest?
    #4Verfasser WittGenStein (1323045)  01 Jun. 23, 13:21
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    Speaking for myself (but probably meaning much the same as CM2DD), "were" is correct in more formal contexts, but many of us also say "If it were't for Brexit" in informal conversation.

    #5VerfasserHecuba - UK (250280) 01 Jun. 23, 13:33
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    #4 No, I mean that the subjunctive is gradually falling out of use, so the subjunctive is usually more formal. But there are some set phrases like "If I were you" or "If it weren't for X" that use the subjunctive, but have stayed in use (even non-formally) because they are more like a single building block; people don't think about the grammar - it's like a fossil word. "If it weren't for X" is more formal than "if it wasn't for X", but I don't think it is only used in formal English.

    #6Verfasser CM2DD (236324) 01 Jun. 23, 13:34
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    Correction to my #5: if it weren't for Brexit.

    #7VerfasserHecuba - UK (250280) 01 Jun. 23, 13:36
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    Okay.
    Vielen Dank allen.
    #8Verfasser WittGenStein (1323045) 01 Jun. 23, 13:37
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    Mildly OT: The subjunctive hasn't fallen from use quite as much in AE as it has from BE.

    #9Verfasser hbberlin (420040) 01 Jun. 23, 14:05
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    Ich weiß. Speziell zum Thema "if I were /was..." gab es auch schon - nennen wir es mal interessante - Diskussionen. Daher auch die bewusste Markierung BE. 😉
    #10Verfasser WittGenStein (1323045) 01 Jun. 23, 14:59
     
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