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    Herr Vater

    Jawohl, Herr Vater!
    Gewiss, Herr Vater!
    usw. usf.
    Es geht also hier nicht um das Ihr Herr Vater / your (dear / respected / esteemed) father, zu dem bereits ein thread existiert, sondern um die früher übliche, respektvolle bis submissive Anrede innerhalb der Familie. In Mansfield Park z. B. reden die Söhne den alten Sir Thomas mit Sir an. Was mich beschäftigt: Gibt es darüberhinaus eine archaische Form, in der außer dem hierarchischen Gefälle auch noch die Vaterschaft ausgedrückt wird (sozusagen "Father-Sir" oder "Mylord-Father" odgl.)?
    Authorlate bird (666148) 06 Mar 12, 13:39
    Ich kenne in dem Zusammenhang tatsächlich nur "Sir".
    #1Authorsusanne133 (607830) 06 Mar 12, 13:46
    Apart from "sir", I don't think there's anything other than "father", which itself sounds fairly respectful and old-fashioned. You can't use both "sir" and "father" in the same breath.

    Edit: Not sure when people stopped used "sir" for their dad - possibly before WWI.
    #2Authorcaptain flint (782544) 06 Mar 12, 13:50
    What century are you talking about? Something like 'my lord father' might work in a medieval or possibly Renaissance context, if the father was in fact a lord.

    I agree that only 'Father' (capitalized) or 'sir' (lowercase), and not both at once, would be idiomatic in more recent centuries -- at least, I can't think of anything else.

    *edit* Many Americans, especially in the South and in some military and/or evangelical circles, are taught to call older persons 'sir' and 'ma'am' as a sign of respect, often including their parents at least in some contexts, as when giving a yes or no answer to a direct instruction or question.
    #3Authorhm -- us (236141) 06 Mar 12, 16:34
    I grew up in a liberal east coast household and was also taught to call at least strangers "sir" and "ma'am"... as opposed to "Hey you" or "lady", at any rate... ;-)
    #4Authorthe kat (387522) 06 Mar 12, 16:47
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