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    to hold one's own ??? someone

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    to hold one's own ??? someone

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    Sie behaupten sich gegenüber ihren Männern.

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    sich gegenüber jemandem behaupten - wie drückt man denn da im Englischen die Präposition aus? With? Vis-a-vis?

    Author Spinatwachtel (341764) 18 Jan 20, 11:46
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    #1Author wienergriessler (925617)  18 Jan 20, 11:51
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    #1 is right for this context, but with can be correct in another: Prove I can hold my own with the best of them.

    #2Author Bob C. (254583)  18 Jan 20, 13:29
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    The "with" in that example belongs to the expression "with the best of them" though.

    #3Author RTH01 (932829)  18 Jan 20, 13:41
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    ?

    #4Author Bob C. (254583) 18 Jan 20, 15:38
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    It's surely a bit like arguing that "hold one's own" takes "on" or "for" because you could say "I can hold my own on a Saturday night" or "I can hold my own for as long as necessary".

    #5Author RTH01 (932829)  18 Jan 20, 16:00
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    I can't follow your argument. "With" is perfectly all right as an alternative preposition in the phrase "to hold your own", e.g. in a statement like "the challenge of trying to hold your own with a fellow competitor"

    #6AuthorCazmeron (1242400)  18 Jan 20, 16:58
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    "With the best of them" is a fixed expression that means "as well as anyone else". "I can hold my own with the best of them" simply means that I am rather good at holding my own. It does not suggest that I am actually standing up to or competing with "the best of them". So Bob C.'s example doesn't shed a lot of light on which preposition should be used in a case like "the challenge of holding your own with/against a fellow competitor".


    That is the rather pedantic point I was trying to make. And it assumes that I interpreted Bob C.'s example the way it was meant. Which might not be the case.

    #7Author RTH01 (932829)  18 Jan 20, 17:58
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    Let me put it differently. Are you saying that the preposition "with" is wrong in sentences like " CBS-Viacom will look to merge with another company, if it wants to hold its own with the likes of AT&T, Comcast and Disney.", challenging Bob's point that "with" is a valid alternative?

    #8AuthorCazmeron (1242400) 18 Jan 20, 18:20
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    Not at all. I'm merely saying that Bob's example (if it was meant the way I am assuming it was) doesn't show that "with" is a valid alternative in cases such as the ones you mentioned.

    #9Author RTH01 (932829) 18 Jan 20, 18:54
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    Vielleicht macht dieses Beispiel es klarer:


    Jemand fragt: Was ist die Präposition für 'sich freuen'?


    Antwort: 'auf', z.B. in dem Satz "Ich freue mich auf der Arbeit am meisten über Lob."


    Das heißt nicht, dass 'auf' keine korrekte Präposition für 'sich freuen' ist. Ist sie. Aber in diesem konkreten Satz geht es um etwas anderes. Er ist kein Beleg für 'sich freuen auf'.

    #10Author Gibson (418762) 18 Jan 20, 19:41
     
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