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    objektivieren

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    Die Bilder des Patienten - Computertomographie oder MRT - werden über Videoschaltung besprochen, die MRT Bilder besprochen und objektiviert. Der Patient klagt über die typischen Beschwerden einer Leistenhernie. Sonst unauffällige Befunde.

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    Do we use "objectify" like this in English?

    Verfasser anothertranslator (1326057) 08 Jun. 23, 18:00
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    No.

    #1Verfasser Marianne (BE) (237471) 09 Jun. 23, 08:46
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    Verwenden wir das denn im Deutschen? Was soll das heißen?

    Vielleicht muss das ärztliche Team sich erstmal klar machen, dass wir heut mal nicht so spontan und emotionsgesteuert über die Aufnahmen reden wie sonst. Das würde dem Wort Sinn verleihen.


    "Susi, das ist kein Häschen. Das ist der Pankreas."

    "Aber so von der Seite? Und du kannst auch Bauchspeicheldrüse sagen. Spar dir deine Begriffe zum Angeben vor Patienten."

    "Mach ich doch gar nicht."

    "Machst du wohl!"

    "Jetzt hört mal auf, ihr beiden. Was ist denn das welke Blümchen da oben links?"

    "Ah, endlich fangen wir an zu objektivieren."

    "Findest du?"

    ...

    #2Verfasser reverend (314585)  09 Jun. 23, 09:10
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    Bümchen und Häschen sind subjetiv ... dieser längliche weiße Fleck da zwischen TH12 und L1 wäre vergleichsweise objektiv ...


    Ist sowas gemeint ?

    #3Verfasser no me bré (700807) 09 Jun. 23, 10:34
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    subjektiv ... objektiv

    An MRI/CT scan is looked at objectively, although may never be entirely free of subjective input from different examiners.

    #4Verfasser Marianne (BE) (237471)  09 Jun. 23, 12:07
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    objektivieren dürfte hier bedeuten, dass die Bilder mit den klinischen Befunden in Übereinstimmung gebracht werden sollen. Für E hab ich keine gute Idee - Marianne?

    #5Verfasser Miss Take (399408) 10 Jun. 23, 20:15
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    I think the verb you're looking for might be "objectivize", although I don't think I've ever seen it used in this context (or any context for that matter) ...

    Possibly along these lines, as Marianne indicated in #4:

    ... discussed and considered objectively (and as related to the patient's complaints/symptoms). Otherwise, findings are unremarkable.

    #6Verfasser RES-can (330291)  10 Jun. 23, 20:51
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    Ein Beispiel für den Vorschlag in #6:



    The clinical diagnosis of craniosynostosis by means of physical examination forms the basis. .... A three-dimensional CT scan images a craniosynostosis in a reliable way and is the most reliable objective diagnostic method. A standardly performed three-dimensional CT scan to objectivize the deformity is highly recommended for operative planning

    Thomson (core.ac.uk)

    #7Verfasser wienergriessler (925617)  10 Jun. 23, 21:01
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    The authors of the guideline in #7 using 'objectivize' are Dutch. The verb does exist (meaning to view or interpret objectively without the influence of personal feelings or opinions) but, like RES-can " ... I don't think I've ever seen it used in this context (or any context for that matter) ..."

    I much prefer her suggestion of "... discussed and considered objectively", which would be in relation to the clinical findings.

    The patient is complaining of the typical symptoms of an inguinal hernia. Otherwise, findings are unremarkable.

    #8Verfasser Marianne (BE) (237471)  10 Jun. 23, 23:36
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    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/...

    objectivize in British English

    or objectivise 

    to cause to be objective


    to objectivize his feelings

    the claims that role-play exercises 'objectivize' recruitment

    The first step in considering an issue is to objectivize it, that is to remove the 'we', and the 'our' and the emotive terms, and to replace them with objective factual equivalents. 


    objectivize in American English

    objectify

    to cause to become concrete or objective; objectify

     Also (esp. Brit.): objectivise


    objectify in British English

    (transitive)to represent concretely; present as an object

     Also: objectivate


    objectify in American English

    to give objective form to; make objective or concrete; externalize

    to present as an object, esp. of sight, touch, or other physical sense; make objective; externalize


    objectivate in British English

    another word for objectify


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    Für objectivize, objectify und objectivate hat Collins keine deutsche Übersetzung ...

    #9Verfasser MiMo (236780) 11 Jun. 23, 05:27
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    Back to the basic question in the OP: Do we use "objectify" like this in English?


    IMHO the answer is still "no", and "objectivize" as given in all the definitions in #9 doesn't fit the context either.

    You can objectivise feelings or objectivise an abstract concept by presenting it as a work of art. In the example given in #7, it is the deformity that is being "objectivised" by a CT scan, not the CT scan itself.


    In the OP: die MRT Bilder besprochen und objektiviert. The normal anatomy and any pathological changes (in the groin or wherever) are being objectivised by the MRI scan. The MRI images themselves are not being objectivised, they are being discussed and looked at/considered objectively in the light of the clinical picture.

    #10Verfasser Marianne (BE) (237471)  11 Jun. 23, 16:38
     
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