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    me vs. myself; us vs. ourselves

    Subject

    me vs. myself; us vs. ourselves

    Context/ examples
    Heißt es:

    To think about me oder myself
    bzw.
    Think about us oder ourselves
    ????
    Authorßerch01 Nov 03, 14:17
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    Das ist kein "entweder oder". Beides geht, aber die Bedeutungen sind verschieden. "To think about me/us" würde "an mich/an uns denken" bedeuten. To think about myself/ourselves" wäre eher reflektiv, iSv "über mich/uns nachdenken".
    #1AuthorGähner01 Nov 03, 16:26
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    In welchen Situationen würden denn diese beiden verschiedenen Versionen angewendet werden ?
    #2AuthorOerch02 Nov 03, 15:22
    Context/ examples
    I had to think about me first, even if my actions were to offend some people.

    We should think about us and our financial situation. We are no charity. Let everybody who comes along bring their own drinks.

    The more I think about myself, the more I realise what a great guy (sorry excuse for a man) I actually am.

    We should take the time to think about ourselves and our lives. Is this what we had in mind when we were still yound and full of idealism?


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    Das sind Beispiele in den Bedeutungen, an die ich gestern gedacht habe. Allerdings habe ich festgestellt, dass man "think about me" auch anders verwendet, wenn man sich zum Beispiel vorstellt, was man so darstellt im Leben. Ich finde es etwas schwerer, den genauen Unterschied herauszuarbeiten, allerdings scheint sich "think about myself" mehr auf das subjektive Selbst zu beziehen, think about me" eher auf mehr oder weniger objektive, wahrnehmbare Aspekte. Allerdings schwirrt mir der Kopf und ich fühle mich überfordert, wenn ich versuche, allgemeingültige Regeln der Sprachverwendung abzuleiten.
    #3AuthorGähner02 Nov 03, 16:25
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    If I think and I think about me that is a reflexive action. It is also reflexive if we think and we think about us. So it is 'myself' and 'ourselves',
    I'm thinking about me could be heard if the person was very definitely and intentionally meaning to emphasise it.In saying it he might even point to himself.I exaggerate here to make the point that 'myself' even when emphasised is the correct one. There is also a slight emphasis when 'us' is used instead of 'ourselves', but although grammatically incorrect it is frequently used. Then consider 'Let us think about ourselves' (here if we think together it reflects on both of us). Now consider if I say to you 'Think about ourselves' I am saying think about yourself and think about me and your thinking about me is not reflexive, 'Think about us ' is not then entirely wrong.What I write here in English is very much what Gaehner has already said in German. I agree with all he says except for 'I had to think about 'me' first... A safe rule if it is reflexive always use self or selves.
    #4AuthorJGMcI02 Nov 03, 18:23
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    Oerch: I hope you are not related to a friend of mine who uses different nicks all the time....
    #5AuthorGhol ‹GB›02 Nov 03, 21:04
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    So it's:'I had to think about 'myself' first ( and not "me") ???
    #6AuthorOerch 03 Nov 03, 19:09
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    Ghol: Hat dein Freund sich nicht vor Kurzem dazu verpflichtet, nur noch einen Namen zu verwenden? Dann muss es sich hier ja logischerweise um jemand anderen handeln. Vielleicht um einen Zwillingsbruder?
    #7AuthorAKo03 Nov 03, 19:26
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    Ako: absolutely -- well, I don't think he committed himself to anything, but he did seem to take the hint...

    Oerch: GAG, my goodness, stick to a single name!!! If you don't like the name GAG, change it to something different, but then *stick* with it, for goodness' sake. Yes, it is "think about myself" or "put myself first", "take care of my own needs first"
    #8AuthorGhol ‹GB›03 Nov 03, 19:53
     
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