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    Salafi - Salafist

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    Salafi rel. - Salafist

    Examples/ definitions with source references
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi
    A Salafi (Arabic: سلفي‎) is a follower of a Sunni Islamic movement, Salafiyyah, that is supposed to take the Salaf who lived during the patristic period of early Islam as model examples.

    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafiyya
    die Bezeichnung „Salafisten“ wird des Weiteren spezieller für nicht-saudische Wahhabiten gebraucht.

    Comment
    Entschuldigt die Wikipedia-Einträge an erster Stelle, aber ich finde tatsächlich keine Wörterbucheinträge. Gibt's denn das, den Ausdruck kennt man doch aus allen Medien? Bitte um Mithilfe, damit das noch was wird. Oder um Hinweise, ob ich mich geirrt habe.
    Authortigger (236106) 22 Feb 12, 16:10
    Ergebnisse aus dem Wörterbuch
    Salafist   - Salafider Salafist | die Salafistin  pl.: die Salafistinnen
    Salafider Salafist | die Salafistin  pl.: die Salafistinnen
    Salafi movementder Salafismus
    Salafist  adj.salafistisch
    Ergebnisse aus dem Forum
    Salafi - Salafist
    Salafist - Salafist
    Salafi
    salafistisch - Salafist
    solophist
    Comment
    I support adding something, but actually, I believe both Salafi and Salafist are used in English, both as nouns and as adjectives. Anyone who wanted to do their good deed could do a newspaper survey.

    Strictly speaking, adding -ist should mean that they proselytize, that they not only practice it themselves but think everyone else ought to do what they do and believe what they believe, that they promote it especially as a political cause; cf. Muslim vs. Islamist. The more fundamentalist the belief, though, as in this case, the less difference there probably is, so the versions with and without -ist may be more or less interchangeable.

    Though we don't normally say *Wahhabist, I don't think, only Wahhabi -- maybe purely for phonetic reasons?

    #1Authorhm -- us (236141) 22 Feb 12, 17:06
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    Salafi

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    Salafi



    Context/ examples
    The Concise Encyclopaedia of Islam, London 1989:
    Salaf ("predecessor", "ancestor"). The first generations of Muslims, considered by later generations to be the most authoritative source for Islamic practice and guidance... The salaf covers three generations: That of the Companions of the Prophet, that of the Tabi'un ("the successors") who knew the Companions, and that of the Taba' at-Tabi'in ("the successors of the successors"). Each successive generations testimony is less authoritative.
    The Wahabis do not accord a special validity to the opinions and practices of any authority after the Tabi'un ...

    Salafiyyah A movement, begun at the turn of the century (um 1900), whose name derives from the phrase salaf as-salihin ("the pious ancestors" ...

    Wahhabis A sect dominant in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, at the beginning of the 19th century it gained footholds in India, Africa, and elsewhere. Adherents of this sect named after its founder Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahab (1703-1787), perfer to call themselves Muwahhidun (Unitarians).
    Comment
    Die Wahhabis und die Salafiyya sind zwei verschiedene Gruppierungen, die sich beide in der Nachfolge der Salaf sehen.

    Wiki scheinbt das anders zu sehen: die Bezeichnung „Salafisten“ wird des Weiteren spezieller für nicht-saudische Wahhabiten gebraucht. Demnach wird Salafist für Wahhabiten und Salafiyya gleichermaßen gebraucht.

    Unter Salafiyya versteht man sowohl die um 1900 entstandene Bewegung, als auch die Lehre an sich. Der einzelne Anhänger ist ein Salafi, im Deutschen sowohl wie auch im Englischen.

    Journalisten gehen mit den Begriffen Salafist und Salafismus recht unbekümmert um.
    #2Authorerl (321304) 23 Feb 12, 04:39
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    OED online:

    Salafi, adj. and n.
    Pronunciation: Brit. /səˈlɑːfi/ , U.S. /səˈlɑfi/
    Forms: also with lower-case initial.
    A. adj.
    Of, relating to, or designating the Salafiyya movement or its adherents.
    B. n.
    An adherent or advocate of the Salafiyya movement.
    http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/271559?redirect...

    Außerdem führt das OED auch Salafist adj. + n. als bedeutungsgleich zu Salafi
    #3Authorafterhours (758017) 23 Feb 12, 13:41
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    Dann bin ich doch blind. Hab ich doch durchsucht, die Wörterbucher online? Tschuldigung.
    @erl: Das stimmt wohl mit den Journalisten. Dann sind Nachweise aus Printmedien nicht so gut.
    #4Authortigger (236106) 23 Feb 12, 13:51
    Context/ examples

    Frage zur Aussprache

    Comment

    Entschuldigt, dass ich den alten Thread wieder ausgrabe. Ich habe eine Frage zur Aussprache.

    "Salafi" wird ja auf der zweite Silbe betont, wie afterhours oben geschrieben hat.

    Wie sieht es mit "Salafist" und "Salafism" aus - werden die auf der ersten Silbe betont, wie im Deutschen?

    #5Authorgrisetta (240112) 08 Oct 18, 10:08
    Context/ examples

    The Salafist party's plan for the Pyramids? Cover them in wax

    (...) The Salafists want segregated beaches, which will not go down well with visitors to Sharm el Sheikh.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-20...


    They have no coherent policy or ideology and there is no governing body to control various Salafist elements either in Egypt or elsewhere. As a result, there is a wide range of Salafist movements pursuing various agendas...

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/6073/what...


    We have enough persuasive evidence to think that the imam is a very radicalised, ultra-conservative Salafist. (...) The Salafist movement – an extreme and austere form of Islam which is strongly influenced by Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi school of Islam...

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/862335/B...


    Commenting on a recent attack by Salafists – ultra-conservative Sunnis – on the US embassy in Tunis, he remarked in an unguarded moment: "We didn't realise how dangerous and violent these Salafists could be …

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/09...


    Tunisian police clash with Salafists over banning of annual congress

    Security forces and hardline Islamists fought street battles in Tunis on Sunday, with one protester killed and 15 policemen wounded, after the authorities banned the Salafists from staging their annual congress.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/af...


    ...including calls to wage jihad and reject democracy in favour of the DWR’s Salafist interpretation of Islam. (...) Violent Salafists are one of two groups under suspicion for Belaid's murder.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-ne...


    Radical Salafists may be attempting to recruit refugees into their ranks under the guise of offering humanitarian assistance...

    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germany-salafist-is...


    Freier warned that radicalisation of children should be taken seriously "because it can create a new generation of Salafists who are ideologically much more deeply rooted" than those radicalised at an older age.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terr...


    Egyptian Salafists rally in Cairo on July 29, 2011. (...) Salafists, conservative Islamists, have demonstrated in the town on previous occasions (...) They were Salafists - conservative Islamists who want Egypt governed according to Islamic law.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/08/0...


    ISIS is the outcome of that decades-long craving among Salafists and Islamist activists for a caliphate, or an Islamic state

    https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/25/opinions/h...


    Comment

    Ich kenne im Engl. (abweichend von der Wörterbuchweisheit) für alle Formen die Betonung auf ersten Silbe: Salafism etc. - vgl. zB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDb-vOBSzNw , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXJzzpPQNI


    Und ich bin überrascht, dass es die engl. Form Salafist nicht ins Wörterbuch geschafft hat und LEO auch kein Adjektiv kennt: Siehe Wörterbuch: salafist* ..

    (einige Belege oben).

    #6Authorlingua franca (48253) 08 Oct 18, 10:27
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    No. 5: "Wie sieht es mit "Salafist" und "Salafism" aus - werden die auf der ersten Silbe betont, wie im Deutschen?"


    Ich kenne im Deutschen Salafist und Salafismus nur mit Betonung auf dem i.

    #7Authormbshu (874725) 08 Oct 18, 11:44
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    re #7 : so kenne ich das auch ...

    #8Authorno me bré (700807) 08 Oct 18, 12:32
     
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