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  • Wrong entry

    on one's kneen - kniend

    Correction

    on one's knees

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    kniend


    Examples/ definitions with source references

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/on+one...
    on one's / its knees,
    a.
    in a supplicatory position or manner: I came to him on my knees for the money.
    b.
    in a desperate or declining condition: The country's economy is on its knees.
    Comment
    Das scheint einfach ein Eingabefehler zu sein.
    AuthorMoser (AT) (796911) 13 Sep 13, 13:04
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    That's most definitely a typo!
    #1AuthorCarly-AE (237428) 13 Sep 13, 15:18
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    I know. Still, I think it should be corrected, because some people don't know English and will believe anything that's in leo.
    #2AuthorMoser (AT) (796911) 13 Sep 13, 15:51
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    Moser, I was agreeing with you :-)
    #3AuthorCarly-AE (237428) 13 Sep 13, 15:55
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    "Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong." (Oscar W.)
    #4AuthorMoser (AT) (796911) 13 Sep 13, 17:02
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    Es ist wohl immer noch so im Wöbu : Dictionary: kneen

    related discussion: kniend
    #5Authorno me bré (700807) 15 Aug 15, 19:40
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    FWIW, I quite like kneen. The phrase actually occurs as such in old or historicizing books and should merely be marked as obsolete/antiquated.
    #6Authorcodero (790632) 16 Aug 15, 14:35
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    The phrase actually occurs as such in old or historicizing books and should merely be marked as obsolete/antiquated.
    What is your evidence for this, a Google search? I searched "on his kneen" and did indeed get hits in older books. I thought it possible that there was some old typographic feature like a ligature that was causing the result, however, so I clicked on four of them and looked. In each case the text highlighted in yellow clearly was "on his knees."

    #7AuthorAmy-MiMi (236989) 20 Aug 15, 01:46
    Context/ examples
    kneen ‎(plural)
    Obsolete or dialectal plural form of knee.
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kneen#English

    ... the -s plural took over other plural inflections. Most nouns were reanalyzed to take the -s (like shoe/shoon to shoe/shoes and knee/kneen to knee/knees) until plurals were almost perfectly uniform.
    http://www.earthwidemoth.com/wiki/Early_Moder...

    The following -(e)n plurals are found in dialectal, rare, or archaic usage:
    ...
    hose hosen (rare/archaic, used in King James Version of the Bible)
    knee kneen (archaic/obsolete)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_plurals

    In the 16th century, there are certain words that survive with the weak plural —en, but after that they are replaced by the —s forms for example , fon , kneen, eyen, and shoon are placed by foes , knees, eyes, and shoes. Today ,the only plural of this type is oxen.
    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=599...
    Comment
    Did some joker make this all up ...?
    I don't think so.
    #8Authorcodero (790632) 20 Aug 15, 15:06
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    #8: Did some joker make this all up ...?

    It can be hard to tell with openly editable sources.
    #9AuthorKinkyAfro (587241) 20 Aug 15, 17:00
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    In the meantime "one one's kneen" has been removed from LEO, which I agree with.

    English used to have a variety of forming plurals, but I don't think LEO needs to have entries for all of them. Even if someone were to make a case for including kneen as an archaic plural, there's no need for a phrase like "on one's kneen," which suggests to the unsuspecting person who looks up kniend that it is still productive.

    If anyone wants to have a discussion of archaic plurals in English, perhaps you could start a discussion in Language Lab. It seems to me that there's no need to bombard Doris further by continuing this thread.
    #10AuthorAmy-MiMi (236989) 20 Aug 15, 17:29
     
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