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coach - (various AE / BE)

Wrong entry		coach - (various AE / BE)
Comment		1) der Trainer i.S.v. Fußball -- BE here is apparently 'manager,' all other entries should be marked (chiefly?) AE, namely, coach [Sport] - der Trainer \| die Trainerin coach [Sport] - der Coach soccer coach [hauptsächlich (Amer.)] - der Fußballtrainer head coach (Amer.) [Sport] - der Cheftrainer football coach (Brit.) [Sport] -der Fußballtrainer national team coach [Sport] -der Nationaltrainer 2) unit of a train -- AE here is 'car,' all other entries should be marked BE, namely, coach [Tech.] - der Wagen [Eisenbahn] coach (of a train) -der Personenwagen [Eisenbahn] coach (of a train) - der Reisezugwagen [Eisenbahn] coach (of a train) - der Waggon [Eisenbahn] coach (of a train) - der Zugwagen [Eisenbahn] baggage coach - der Gepäckwagen center (AE) coach / centre (BE) coach - der Mittelwagen local coach - der Nahverkehrswagen passenger coach - der Eisenbahnwagen [P]ullman coach - der Schlafwagen corridor coach- der Durchgangswagen saloon coach- der Großraumwagen [= AE lounge car?] compartment coach - der Abteilwagen [Eisenbahn] couchette coach - der Liegewagen container coach -der Behälterwagen [Eisenbahn] crew coach - der Mannschaftswagen [Eisenbahn] double-deck coach [Tech.] - der Doppelstockwagen double-decker coach [Tech.]-der Doppelstockwagen [Eisenbahn] [N.B. 'double-decker' is correct here in AE, not '*double-deck'] exhibition coach - der Ausstellungswagen [Eisenbahn] motor coach [Tech.] - elektrischer Triebwagen motor coach [Tech.] - der Motorwagen motor coach [Tech.] - der Triebwagen [Eisenbahn] post coach - der Postwagen [Eisenbahn] pull-out coach [Tech.] - der Einsatzwagen [Eisenbahn] rail coach [Tech.] - der Motortriebwagen self-unloading coach [Tech.] - der Selbstentladewagen [Eisenbahn] test coach [Tech.] - der Messwagen video coach -der Videowagen [Eisenbahn] coach with awning- der Planewagen [Eisenbahn] local passenger coach - der Nahverkehrswagen body of coach [Tech.] - der Wagenkasten [Eisenbahn] control cab coach - der Steuerwagen [Eisenbahn] high capacity freight coach - der Großraumgüterwagen [Eisenbahn] high capacity tank coach - der Großraumkesselwagen [Eisenbahn] multi-unit rail coach [Tech.] - der Triebzug [Eisenbahn] multiple coach lighting [Tech.] 3) Fernbus, Reisebus usw. -- AE here is 'bus,' all other entries should be marked BE, namely, coach -der Bus (Reisebus) coach - der Reisebus coach - der Fernbus coach tour - die Busfernreise coach tour - die Busreise coach terminal - der Busbahnhof motor coach -der Autobus saloon coach- Autobus ohne Oberdeck long-distance coach [Autom.]- der Reiseomnibus [Transport] long-distance coach [Autom.] - der Kraftomnibus [Abk.: KOM] motor coach [Autom.] - der Reiseomnibus long-distance coach [Autom.] -der Fernbus [Transport] motor-coach -der Reisebus motor coach station - der Güterbahnhof (?) 4) AE here is 'slowpoke,' all other entries should be marked BE, namely, slow coach - der Lahmarsch slow coach - die Tranfunzel slow-coach -langsamer Mensch 5) AE here is 'carpool,' 'vanpool,' 'shuttle bus pool,' etc.; this entry should be marked BE coach pool - die Fahrgemeinschaft 6) stage coach —> stagecoach (one word) stage coach - die Postkutsche 7) 'dialogue' is also the preferred spelling in AE; 'dialog' is dated or uncommon dialogAE coach [Cine.] -der Dialogtrainer dialogueBE coach [Cine.] -der Dialogtrainer 8) unclear ... coach [Tech.] - das Schienenfahrzeug [Eisenbahn] coach [Naut.]- die Kabine (Achterdeck) coach - der Autocar (Schweiz) coach - der Car (Schweiz) coach - der Reisecar (Schweiz) coach body - der Wagenkasten death coach - der Hinrichtungswagen destination coach - der Kurswagen through coach - der Kurswagen trailer coach - der Omnibusanhänger trolley coach [Tech.] -der Obus trolley coach [Tech.] - der Oberleitungsbus trolley coach [Tech.]- der Oberleitungsomnibus trolley coach [Tech.] -der Trolleybus diesel motor coach [Tech.] - der Triebkopf double deck coach [Tech.] - der Doppelstockwagen double decker coach [Tech.] - der Doppelstockwagen double headed motor coach [Tech.] - der Doppeltriebwagen AAAARGHHH!!! This is where I give up. I'm sorry. I spent 3 or 4 hours on this project already, and there's still all this garbage to get through. I would very much welcome some help. ------------------------- individual coach lighting [Tech.] die Einzelwagenbeleuchtung insurance performance coach [Versich.] Ausbilder im Versicherungswesen lower coach edge der Wagenrand Pl.: die Wagenränder [Eisenbahn] motor coach train [Tech.] mehrfachgekuppelte Triebwagenzugeinheit motor coach train [Tech.] der Triebwagenzug die Allgemeinbeleuchtung railroad coach carrier truck [Tech.] der Rollbock Pl.: die Rollböcke [Eisenbahn] railway coach bus [Tech.] der Wagenbus Pl.: die Wagenbusse [Eisenbahn] reversible motor coach train [Tech.] mehrfachgekuppelte Triebwagenzugeinheit self-contained motor coach [Tech.] der Dieseltriebwagen self-unloading hopper coach [Tech.] der Selbstentladewagen [Eisenbahn] stand-in deck coach carrier [Tech.] der Autotransportwagen [Eisenbahn] superstructure of a coach der Wagenkasten Pl.: die Wagenkästen [Transport] motor-coach train [Tech.] der Triebwagenzug rake of coaches [Tech.] die Wagengruppe Pl.: die Wagengruppen [Eisenbahn] raft of coaches [Tech.] die Wagengruppe Pl.: die Wagengruppen [Eisenbahn] raft of coaches [Tech.] der Wagenzug Pl.: die Wagenzüge [Eisenbahn] raft of coaches [Tech.] die Zuggarnitur Pl.: die Zuggarnituren [Eisenbahn] rake of coaches [Tech.] der Wagenzug Pl.: die Wagenzüge [Eisenbahn] rake of coaches [Tech.] die Zuggarnitur Pl.: die Zuggarnituren [Eisenbahn] set of coaches [Tech.] die Wagengruppe Pl.: die Wagengruppen [Eisenbahn] set of coaches [Tech.] der Wagenzug Pl.: die Wagenzüge [Eisenbahn] set of coaches [Tech.] die Zuggarnitur Pl.: die Zuggarnituren [Eisenbahn] Weitere Substantive verbergen Verben to coach so. \| coached, coached \| jmdn. betreuen \| betreute, betreut \| to coach so. \| coached, coached \| [Sport] jmdn. trainieren \| trainierte, trainiert \| to coach so. \| coached, coached \| jmdn. coachen \| coachte, gecoacht \| Definitionen coach of the German national football team [Sport] der Bundestrainer \| die Bundestrainerin Pl.: die Bundestrainer [Fußball] Weitere Aktionen Neue Diskussion starten Gespeicherte Vokabeln sortieren Suchhistorie Orthographisch ähnliche Wörter cache, catch, coact, conch, cooch, couch, loach, orach, poach, roachcache, couch Aus dem Umfeld der Suche car, carriageReisebus, Economyclass, Bus, Waggon, Reisezugwagen, Car, Karosserie, Fernbus, Repetitor, Reisecar, Wagen, Kutsche, Schienenfahrzeug, Trainerin, Autocar, Trainer, Personenwagen, Zugwagen Forumsdiskussionen, die den Suchbegriff enthalten coachLetzter Beitrag: 13 Apr 17, 10:33 Police in Germany have launched a huge manhunt to find those responsible for a bomb attack o…6 Antworten coachLetzter Beitrag: 30 Apr 07, 16:17 Wie heißt es die Mehrzahl von Trainern? coachs coaches1 Antworten coachLetzter Beitrag: 30 Apr 07, 15:14 Wie heißt es die Mehrzahl von Trainern? coachs coaches1 Antworten coach - TouristenklasseLetzter Beitrag: 14 Mär 04, 16:03 http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?boo... One of the Webster meanin…5 Antworten Coach - HolzklasseLetzter Beitrag: 21 Aug 07, 15:13 Merriam-Webster Online Coach (Noun) 1 f : a class of passenger air transportation at a lowe…12 Antworten coach - kutschierenLetzter Beitrag: 29 Jun 16, 23:49 "coach" (verbs): "to drive a coach" (visualthesaurus.com) In der Graphik auf visualthesaurus…1 Antworten coach company & luxury coachLetzter Beitrag: 19 Feb 10, 20:59 It is the official coach company for the event, offering a wide variety of luxury coaches fo…1 Antworten coach - der CarLetzter Beitrag: 08 Sep 15, 21:40 Autocar mask.; -s; -s Gebrauch: schweizerisch Herkunft: Englisch ♦ Autobus für Ausflugsver7 Antworten coach (Am.) - SportlehrerLetzter Beitrag: 24 Jul 05, 18:23 http://www.network.usta.com/publish.sps?syndi... Antworten coach-builtLetzter Beitrag: 27 Feb 15, 15:14 The wooden frame of the coach-built body is constructed using Ash Wood, combined with Africa…2 Antworten fly coachLetzter Beitrag: 29 Apr 05, 09:47 Managers now may be asked to fly coach rather than first or business class.1 Antworten coach fareLetzter Beitrag: 24 Nov 08, 12:14 ... that you pay me the cost of a coach fare roundtrip... was genau heisst coach fare round…2 Antworten life coachLetzter Beitrag: 05 Sep 08, 21:58 "Roy Basnett brings you something a bit different every morning from two until six am. With …2 Antworten Nutzungsbedingungen / DatenschutzImpressumWerbung auf LEOSuchtipps FAQ - Frequently Asked QuestionsCopyright © LEO Dictionary Team 2006 - 2017leomuc9. CPU µs: 101/14
Author		hm -- us (236141)	13 Apr 17, 10:36

#1	Author	Amy-MiMi (236989)	13 Apr 17, 12:08
Context/ examples		https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=coach coach (kōch) n. 1. a. A bus, especially one designed for long-distance passenger service. b. A railroad passenger car. c. A closed automobile, usually with two doors. d. A large, closed, four-wheeled carriage with an elevated exterior seat for the driver; a stagecoach. 2. Coach class. 3. SportsA person who trains or directs athletes or athletic teams. 4. a. A person who gives instruction or guidance:an acting coach; a life coach. b. A private tutor employed to prepare a student for an examination. tr. & intr.v.coached, coach·ing, coach·es 1. To train or tutor or to act as a trainer or tutor. 2. To transport by or ride in a coach. http://greatlakesmotorcoach.com/ While the site uses bus frequently, it also contains this "Our charter bus services offer a variety of different amenities that include: Modern Wide-Body Coaches, Executive Coaches, Economy Highway Coaches, Wheel Chair Accessible Coaches, Video Equipped Coaches." Here is another site from an Illinois company: Motor Coach Industries http://www.mcicoach.com/AboutUs/aboutUs.htm Quality, comfort, reliability, easy parts and great aftermarket service. No wonder MCI sells more coaches than anyone else. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coach Definition of coach 1a: a large usually closed four-wheeled horse-drawn carriage having doors in the sides and an elevated seat in front for the driver On special occasions the queen rides in a gold coach. b: a railroad passenger car intended primarily for day travel Smoking is not permitted in the train's coaches. c: bus 1a toured the city by coach d: trailer 3b e: a 2-door enclosed automobile f: a class of passenger air transportation at a lower fare than first class We reserved two seats in coach. Oxford lists coach as BE, but the AHD, MW and I disagree. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/coach 1 British A comfortably equipped single-decker bus used for longer journeys. as modifier ‘a coach trip’ To complicate things further, "luxury motorcoach" is used in the RV industry as the designation for large motorhomes that are built on a bus chassis: http://millenniumluxurycoaches.com/inventory/ Traditional head turning beauty on stainless steel panels grabs your attention right away. Yes, our newest coach is indeed an X3!
Comment		hm--us has obviously put a lot of time and effort into this and I haven't looked at all of it, but the third section jumped out at me. 3) Fernbus, Reisebus usw. -- AE here is 'bus,' all other entries should be marked BE Coach is used in this sense in the US. I agree that bus is more common in the US, even where I live, but coach is not unknown. In my opinion, a flat BE tag on this definition would be misleading. I would be interested in hearing from AE speakers in other parts of the country; it's possible that usage in the Midwest is slightly different. Historically it has been the center of the automotive and RV industries.

#2	Author	Jurist (US) (804041)	13 Apr 17, 19:43
Comment		Ami-Mimi correctly notes that coach and "luxury motorcoach" are used in AE for certain luxury busses and large motorhomes (RVs) by their manufacturers and marketers, sometimes even by their customers and by travel agents. I find this to be pretentious jargon, FWIW. Nevertheless, I support the BE (or "primarily BE"?) marking for 'a coach trip", which I would barely understand in AE without context. Coach is used for a certain type of horse-drawn carriage, of course, and for the steerage class on airlines, but I support hm -- us in taking exception to its use for railroad vehicles of any type in AE.

#3	Author	lingua franca (48253)	13 Apr 17, 19:57
Comment		Ein lobenswertes Unterfangen (der Marke "can of worms") Mir ist nur in #0 der "football coach" aufgefallen, der (wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe) AE zugewiesen werden soll. Alleine des football=Fußball wegen haut das nicht hin. Aber auch der sportliche coach ist in BE sicherlich nicht ungebräuchlich: https://www.google.de/search?q=%22football+co...

#4	Author	Jurist (US) (804041)	13 Apr 17, 20:47
Comment		FWIW, I just did a search for "by coach" -air -plane -ball -football -baseball -basketball -soccer -bag, restricted to US sites. The first hundred or so hits had no examples of travel in the US, although there were a few for travel in other countries.

#5	Author	hm -- us (236141)	13 Apr 17, 21:04
Comment		Sorry, I should have deleted some of that garbage like the forum links, but I was just tired and it was so hard to copy and paste anything on a small touchscreen. Can of worms indeed. I have no objection to 'chiefly BE' for the bus sense if that would make Amy feel better. However, I would still be curious as to how many other AE speakers feel that 'coach' is commonly used in the sense of 'bus' in AE, and if so, from what regions. I'm not sure LEO is the right place to try to include flowery terms from the marketing of mobile homes and RVs, but if anyone can think how, they could certainly make a suggestion. Thanks again for additional comments. I hope we have at least illustrated the scope of the problem well enough that Doris or some other lucky person can take it from here. (Hint: anything marked [Eisenbahn].)

#6	Author	no me bré (700807)	13 Apr 17, 22:07
Comment		Wow ! Respekt !

#7	Author	Amy-MiMi (236989)	13 Apr 17, 23:21
Context/ examples		Examples from American sites which use coach to refer to train cars http://www.durangosilvertonrailroad.com/duran... Enjoy the scenery of the San Juan National Forest in the a standard closed coach while listening to a costumed character tell stories and provide history of the historic railroad and life in the 1880s. http://www.garlandheritage.com/gov/hk/heritag... Donated to the City of Garland in 1976 by the Santa Fe Railroad, this 1910 Pullman Coach Car #582 transported passengers on the main line steam trains of the Santa Fe railroad system from 1910 to about 1930, playing a vital role in troop transportation during World War I. http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/pullman-... Pullman prototypes built in Bloomington By Bill Kemp \| Archivist/historian, McLean County Museum of History Jun 9, 2013 Back in 1859, St. Louis, Alton and Chicago Railroad President Joel A. Matteson agreed to let the then relatively unknown Pullman convert two-day coaches into “sleepers.” http://www.lionel.com/products/the-polar-expr... For even more excitement, add this passenger coach with real conductor announcements from the movie! The conductor figure, holding his lighted lantern, stands in the doorway welcoming passengers, "All aboard!" http://updigit.uproc.lib.mi.us/cdm/ref/collec... Postcard of a coach car http://www.railfanguides.us/il/chicago/yards/... 14th St Coach Yard GPS Coordinates: 41.86424, -87.6378 (middle of the yard) Location: ~ 1-1/2 miles from downtown, south of Chicago Union Station, west of Amtrak’s 14th St. Yard Status: Active Current Owner/Operator: Metra History: Former CB&Q - Chicago, Burlington & Quincy yard, and all pre Metra Commuter Railroads serving Union Station Purpose: Coach storage and maintenance Hump: no Activity: Daily sorting and maintenance of Metra’s passenger cars Tracks/Details: 2 yards in one, ~23 tracks on the north end and roughly 20 tracks on the south. Railfan Access: None, but pictures can be had from the W Roosevelt Rd overpass to the north end of the yard. http://www.visitbakersfield.com/directory/amt... All trains have at least one coach car with seating for handicapped customers (call for information). Please contact Amtrak for train and bus schedules. Additional example of coach to refer to buses http://www.ridecarts.com/services/interurban Registered CARTS customers who ride into Austin on the Interurban Coach Routes can schedule a connecting ride on the Grasshopper to their destinations in Austin. http://home2.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/ferrybus/c... Holiday Motor Coach Traffic Rules These special regulations and additional parking areas are in effect from November 23, 2015 to January 2, 2016 to improve tour and charter bus operations and maintain traffic flow during the holiday season. Download holiday motor coach regulations - front (pdf) Download holiday motor coach regulations - back (pdf) http://www.mva.maryland.gov/about-mva/info/27... How do I title an intrastate passenger bus or motor coach that will be operating only within Maryland? And, finally, something from the American Bus Association: https://www.buses.org/ Motorcoach operators perform a variety of transportation services such as charters, retail tours, scheduled service, sightseeing, local receptive operations, school bus, package express and special operations.
Comment		Above I have provided some citations from American sources that I consider to be reliable and representative. I have no objection to 'chiefly BE' for the bus sense if that would make Amy feel better. My feelings are irrelevant. I am simply trying to help LEO be accurate. I saw something I disagreed with based on my experience and provided relevant citations for others to evaluate. However, I would still be curious as to how many other AE speakers feel that 'coach' is commonly used in the sense of 'bus' in AE, and if so, from what regions. I would be surprised if anyone thinks it is commonly used in the US outside the transportation industry. I referred to it as "not unknown." I'm not sure LEO is the right place to try to include flowery terms from the marketing of mobile homes and RVs... My understanding of a dictionary is that it lists words. Speakers may choose to use these words in flowery advertising copy, but that doesn't change the fact that they are words. F5 I asked my husband about this, and he agreed that coach is used in AE; he pointed out that he used to work at the GM Truck & Coach Plant in Pontiac, MI. My brother, who used to be a bus driver, said that coach is often used in the industry to refer to a better class of buses. "Motor coaches are a notch up from Greyhound buses or school buses." Both my husband, who works in the model train business, and my brother, who is a rail fan, are of the opinion that coach is not exclusively BE when referring to trains. It may be a word that is less familiar to your average American, but that is perhaps because trains are not a part of your average AE speaker's life.

#8	Author	papousek (343122)	14 Apr 17, 22:27
Comment		Thanks hm. Just wrote a long reply TWICE and managed to delete them. Argh! 1) Coach (sport) itself doesn't need an AE tag; it has exactly the same meaning in BE. There just needs to be a clear entry that shows that football teams, especially professional ones, generally have managers. 5) I've never heard coach pool in BE, and can't find any credible google links for it either. I'd say carpool. Also, I find coacher (Dictionary: coacher) rather suspect, but that's a topic for another thread...

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