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  • Source Language Term

    Zwei Leute

    Correct?

    Two peoples

    Comment
    Liebe Lions,
    wie übersetzt man " zwei Leute" z.B
    "Auf dem Bild sind zwei Leute, die sich unterhalten. "
    1)Two people
    2)Two peoples
    3)Two persons

    Was wäre korrekt?
    Vielen Dank für die Hilfe!
    AuthorDemandeuse (735773) 23 Apr 19, 23:31
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    two peoples sind zwei Völker/Volksstämme ...


    ... bei nur zwei Personen würde ich persons bevorzugen ... aber da sollten die ENS noch was dazu sagen ...

    #1Authorno me bré (700807) 23 Apr 19, 23:35
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    Two people.

    #2AuthorMartin--cal (272273) 23 Apr 19, 23:38
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    Two people.

    #3AuthorGibson (418762) 24 Apr 19, 04:48
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    Two people.

    #4Authorpenguin (236245) 24 Apr 19, 09:06
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    Two people

    #5AuthorSpike BE (535528) 24 Apr 19, 09:47
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    Liebe Lions,
    vielen Dank für die schnellen Antworten! Ich sehe, "zwei Leute" heißt "two people" . :)
    Noch eine Nachfrage: "two persons" wäre eher "zwei Personen" als "zwei Leute". Das wäre aber auch noch ok und nicht ganz falsch, oder?

    Vielen Dank!
    #6AuthorDemandeuse (735773) 24 Apr 19, 12:20
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    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/brit...

    Personpersons or people?


    Persons (plural) is a very formal word. We only use it in rather legalistic contexts:

    [notice in a lift] Any person or persons found in possession of illegal substances will be prosecuted.


    To refer to groups of human beings or humans in general, we use people:

    I saw three people standing on the corner. Not: I saw three persons …

    Jim and Wendy are such nice people.

    People are generally very selfish.

    Three people were interviewed for the job, but only one person had the right qualifications and experience.


    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/...

    The words people and persons can both be used as the plural of person, but they have slightly different connotations. People is by far the commoner of the two words and is used in most ordinary contexts: a group of people; there were only about ten people; several thousand people have been rehoused. Persons, on the other hand, tends now to be restricted to official or formal contexts, as in this vehicle is authorized to carry twenty persons; no persons admitted without a pass



    Comment

    The plural of person in English is people. One person, two people. One person, lots of people. Etc.


    I've underlined the important sentences in the links above.


    Persons does exist, but see the above:

    • Persons (plural) is a very formal word. We only use it in rather legalistic context
    • People is by far the commoner of the two words and is used in most ordinary contexts: a group of people; there were only about ten people; several thousand people have been rehoused


    So, in your sentence, 'two persons' is not impossible, but very unlikely outside of a legal/official/very formal context.

    #7Authorpapousek (343122)  24 Apr 19, 12:47
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    We once, years ago, I think, had quite a heated discussion about this. Don't know if the old thread is still around. I kind of hope it isn't.


    Linguistically, the plural of person is persons (not people).


    People, when used as a singular noun, has its own plural: peoples.


    One can view and use people as the plural of person for some purposes, but it is well to note that grammatically it is not.

    #8AuthorBob C. (254583)  24 Apr 19, 18:39
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    Linguistisch ist der Singular von 'data' auch 'datum'; trotzdem würde ich den Gebrauch nur eingeschränkt empfehlen. In der Praxis ist, zumindest in BE, 'people' der übliche Plural außerhalb von Rechtstexten und Polizeijargon, meines Wissens.

    #9AuthorGibson (418762) 24 Apr 19, 20:52
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    Indeed. Post #8 is misleading.

    #10AuthorKinkyAfro (587241) 24 Apr 19, 22:14
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    In der Praxis ist, zumindest in BE, 'people' der übliche Plural außerhalb von Rechtstexten und Polizeijargon, meines Wissens.


    In my experience, the same applies to AE.

    #11AuthorNorbert Juffa (236158) 24 Apr 19, 22:29
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    No, #8 is not misleading, but perhaps some additional clarification will help. The grammatical plural of person is persons. Similarly, the plural of people, where it needs one, is peoples. It's a technical point, but there can be no serious question about it from the viewpoint of linguistics.


    However, this does not mean that persons should be used as the plural of person! In practice, today, people is used overwhelmingly as the plural of person: one person, two people. But grammatically and etymologically they are distinct. People evolved out of Latin populus, whereas person comes from Latin persona. Each forms its plural in the same way: by adding s.


    Pointing out that each of these two words has its own grammatical plural may give pause to some because we so commonly use people as if it were the true, original plural form of person. We're just accustomed to thinking uncritically of the one as the plural form of the other.


    Actually, until sometime in the twentieth century, it was considered better style to use persons as the plural for small groups, say a dozen or fewer, reserving people for multitudes. That usage preference has today clearly fallen by the wayside, and the plural form of person (persons) is perceived as stuffy or stultified for most purposes. People has displaced persons for all but a few cases.

    #12AuthorBob C. (254583)  24 Apr 19, 22:46
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    Re #12: Actually, until sometime in the twentieth century, it was considered better style to use 'persons' as the plural for small groups, say a dozen or fewer, reserving people for multitudes.


    Can you back that up?

    #13AuthorKinkyAfro (587241) 24 Apr 19, 22:50
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    There are many articles about it in the dictionaries and usage manuals. Here's a good one to start with:


    https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play...

    #14AuthorBob C. (254583)  24 Apr 19, 22:53
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    Interestingly enough, my 1926 edition of Fowler does not seem to address the issue. The LA Times Stylebook (1981) recommends: "In general use people, regardless of whether the number is large or small [...] Persons may be used for occasional variety or deliberate formality." My copy of Strunk & White, 3rd ed. contains the same language that is quoted at Bob C.'s link. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage indicates that the use of people in place of persons was a topic of sometimes heated debate between about 1880 and WW1.

    #15AuthorNorbert Juffa (236158) 24 Apr 19, 23:08
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    Re #15, I used the Google Ngram to compare (A) "There are two people" with (B) "There are two persons".


    The very first appearance of Form (A) was in 1835; before that, only Form (B) was found in the corpus. Then from 1835 to 1850 Form (A) briefly flourishes (but why???), only to disappear again. Form (A) reappears a couple of years later, and then slowly grows in popularity.


    For a longish stretch, from 1879 to about 1953, the two forms are roughly equally popular, but after that, Form (A) starts to dominate. In 2000, the ratio was about 5:1 in favor of form (A).


    The trend is similar if I substitute "ten" for "two", but the ratio is 14:1 in the year 2000 in this case.


    Any ideas why?


    #16AuthorMartin--cal (272273) 25 Apr 19, 07:36
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    re #16:

    Die größere Dominanz von "people" gegenüber "persons" bei größeren Mengen entspricht Bobs Aussage in #12 (die meiner angejahrten Schulenglisch-Weisheit entspricht).


    @Martin--cal. Danke für die Recherche. Ich hätte mich über die entsprechenden Links gefreut;-)

    #17Authorlingua franca (48253)  25 Apr 19, 08:09
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    Possibly, "persons" might resurface with AI? Don't you think?


    "I saw three persons and two androids"? In the sense of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"

    #18AuthorBenatarsComrade (1182552) 25 Apr 19, 20:33
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    I don't see the difference between referring to androids as 'persons' or 'people'. Both anthropomorphise (is that a word?) them to about the same degree IMO.

    #19AuthorGibson (418762) 25 Apr 19, 22:41
     
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