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    major party pol. - Volkspartei

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    big-tent party

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    Volkspartei


    Examples/ definitions with source references

    Hier Siehe auch: Volkspartei

    und hier Siehe auch: Volkspartei

    haben wir schon mehrfach darüber diskutiert, was eine Volkspartei ist, nämlich eine Partei, die Anhänger in allen Bevölkerungsschichten hat.

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    Als Volkspartei bezeichnet man in der deutschen Politikwissenschaft eine Partei, die für Wähler und Mitglieder aller gesellschaftlicher Schichten, Generationen und unterschiedlicher Weltanschauungen im Prinzip offen ist. 

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkspartei_(Pa...


    Volkspartei soll z.B. heißen, dass die Parteipolitik vom Volk, d.h. einer deutlichen Mehrheit der Bürger aus allen Schichten getragen und damit gebilligt wird.

    https://www.juraforum.de/lexikon/volkspartei


    Partei für viele

    Als „Volkspartei“ bezeichnet man eine Partei, die Anhänger in allen Gruppen und Schichten der Bevölkerung hat. Um sehr viele Unterstützer zu erreichen, müssen Volksparteien in ihren Programmen möglichst viele gesellschaftliche Interessen und Weltanschauungen berücksichtigen.

    https://www.hanisauland.de/node/2543


    major party

    : a political party having electoral strength sufficient to permit it to win control of a government usually with comparative regularity and when defeated to constitute the principal opposition to the party in power

    (das gilt vor allem in den USA)

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ma...


    big-tent party

    a political party or group that includes many different groups or ideas, and so can attract a wide range of supporters

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuc...


    Do Germany’s Election Results Signal a Left Turn for Europe? New York Times, Sep. 29, 2021 (...)

    Big-tent parties on both sides have shrunk. (...) Only three decades ago, Germany’s two leading parties garnered over 80 percent of the vote in a national election. On Sunday, the Social Democrats received just 25.7 percent, while the Christian Democrats( ...) received 24.1 percent — calling into question their legitimacy as “Volkspartei” or big-tent parties that represent all elements of society.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/world/euro...


    Authorpenguin (236245)  02 Mar 22, 10:02
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    Vielen Dank für den Vorschlag! Gibt es für die deutsche Seite einen Marker "[Deutschland]"? Denn der Begriff ist ja auf Deutschland beschränkt, da es in Österreich und der Schweiz jeweils eine Partei gibt, die das Wort Volkspartei im Namen trägt und mit dem Ausdruck dann natürlich diese gemeint ist.

    #1AuthorJanZ (805098)  02 Mar 22, 10:20
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    Und die USA haben ein Zweiparteien-System, Großbritannien de facto auch, da sind eben beide Volksparteien (und die Definitionen unterscheiden sich, was man auch an der Definition aus Merriam-Webster für major party sieht).

    #2Authorpenguin (236245) 02 Mar 22, 10:37
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    Volkspartei hat zwei Bedeutungen:


    a) Teil eines Eigennamens, mit bestimmtem Artikel (die Volkspartei)

    b) Partei mit breiter Wählerbasis und großem Stimmenanteil, meist mit unbestimmtem Artikel (eine Volkspartei) oder im Plural als Kategorie (Fachausdruck in der Politikwissenschaft)


    Die zweite Bedeutung, um die es hier geht, ist nicht auf Deutschland beschränkt.

    #3AuthorRominara (1294573)  02 Mar 22, 11:37
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    Das mag schon sein, aber nachdem ich seit 20 Jahren beruflich die politischen Berichte der Tagespresse in Österreich sehr genau lese, muss ich dennoch bemerken, dass in Österreich keiner den Ausdruck Volkspartei im Sinne von b) im allgemeinen Sprachgebrauch verwendet. Dadurch, dass die ÖVP (Österr. Volkspartei) sich mit der SPÖ (Sozialistische Partei) über viele Jahre/Jahrzehnte hinweg in der Mehrheit abgewechselt hat, wäre es unsinnig weil verwirrend, in Österreich den Wortsinn b) zu verwenden. Wenn, dann spricht man hier von einer "Partei des Volkes" - das aber auch nur selten und eigentlich immer über fremdländische Parteien, nie über österreichische.

    #4AuthorPinscheline (1070141) 02 Mar 22, 12:18
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    #5AuthorRominara (1294573)  02 Mar 22, 12:28
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    Es tut mir wahnsinnig leid Raudona, aber das Internet gibt mir sogar recht. Sorry. Frau Rendi-Wagner hat sich in diesem Interview dagegen gewehrt, dass die SPÖ zu einer Nischenpartei "für Arbeitslose" geworden sei, sondern wollte mit dem Zitat klarstellen, dass ihre Partei noch immer zu den großen zählt.


    Ansonsten verweisen deine google Ergebnisse entweder auf Berichte über deutsche Parteien in österreichischen Zeitungen, oder tatsächlich auf Erwähnungen der ÖVP. Ein Artikel übrigens, aus dem Standard, der unter dem zweiten Suchbegriff aufgelistet ist, führt "eine der Volksparteien" überhaupt nicht im Text auf. Vielleicht bezog sich der Fund auf einen alten Kommentar.

    #6AuthorPinscheline (1070141) 02 Mar 22, 16:08
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    re #5 : Da sagt das Internet etwas anderes, ... - was sagt es denn, Deine Meinung nach ?

    Sonst sehen wir uns nur die uns gezeigten Ergebnisse an und ziehen unsere eigenen Schlüsse daraus ...

    #7Authorno me bré (700807) 02 Mar 22, 17:17
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    I don´t have a source, but I suspect "big-tent" is only AE. I had never heard the expression before now.

    #8Authorisabelll (918354) 02 Mar 22, 18:12
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    Cambridge:

    big tent (n.) – (politics) (mainly US specialized)

    a political party or group that includes many different groups or ideas, and so can attract a wide range of supporters:

    "The Republican Party is a big tent," he said. "We have strong core beliefs that bring us together, but we can disagree about social issues." ...

    big-tent (adj.) – including many different groups or ideas, and therefore able to attract a wide range of supporters:

    We are a big-tent organization.

    Obama wanted to demonstrate his desire for a big-tent administration that transcended partisan politics. ...

    The Republican party is a big-tent party, and we have a wide range of views.

    He is pitching a big-tent government and the new council is his way of establishing closer relations with business.

    Tony Blair's big-tent politics promised a glowing future to all kinds of different groups. ...

    The modern expression for building consensus is "big tent politics". ...

    It frequently adopts a functional big tent party strategy to win elections.

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/e...


    Collins:

    big tent – a. a political approach in which a party claims to be open to a widespectrum of constituents and groups

    b. (as modifier)

    big-tent politics

    This has the makings of a big tent.

    Times, Sunday Times (2015)

    Who is allowed inside the big tent and who is excluded?

    Times, Sunday Times (2008)

    The environment was outside the big tent.

    Times, Sunday Times (2009)

    He'll do that with a big tent of personalities and policies.

    Times, Sunday Times (2014)

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/...


    Oxford:

    big tent – Used in reference to a political party's policy of permitting or encouraging a broad spectrum of views among its members.

    ‘the struggle to change Wyoming takes place inside the Republican Party and its “big tent.”’

    https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/big_tent


    Macmillan:

    big tent ​(n.) – (American) a group or political party that includes people who have a wide range of beliefs or opinions and come from many different backgrounds

    Johnson’s aim was to bring both business and union leaders into his big tent.

    big-tent (adj.)

    A recent study shows Republicans are not the big-tent party.

    https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictio...


    Oxford Learner's:

    big tent – a group or philosophy that accepts and includes individuals and organizations that have a wide variety of opinions or styles

    Synonym: broad church

    The movement soon became a big tent under which many campaign groups gathered.

    https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us...


    M-W:

    big tent – (US) a widely inclusive composition or character that allows people of differing backgrounds, opinions, and interests to be members of a group or organization (such as a political party)

    … Democratic talk of a big tent was becoming alarmingly familiar as the Party dealt with what amounted to a case of "values" shock—the post-election impression that Democrats keep losing because they have lost touch with mainstream American values.

    — Peter J. Boyer, New Yorker, 14 Nov. 2005

    I feel very comfortable in the Republican tent. It's a big tent. It goes all the way from the right, all the way crossing the center line.

    — Arnold Schwarzenegger, PBS Newshour, 22 June 2007

    We have big arguments within the party because we got a big tent

    — Barack Obama, quoted in Rolling Stone, 14 Oct. 2010

    (also:) a group or organization that has a widely inclusive composition or character

    When the parties were big tents, you had to make deals within your party in order to govern.

    — William Schneider, CNN, 24 May 2001

    … Orthodox Judaism is a big tent that includes both fundamentalists and nonfundamentalists …

    — Alan Reder, Yoga Journal, July 2001

    Irvin and his writers realize that pop music is an awfully big tent, one where greatness can be bestowed not only on the sublime … but on the ridiculous …

    — Bradley Bambarger, Billboard, 28 July 2001

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bi...


    AHD:

    big tent (n.) – A group, especially a political coalition, that accommodates people who have a wide range of beliefs, principles, or backgrounds.

    big-tent adj.

    https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html...


    Siehe auch: big-tent

    Siehe auch: big tent pragmatism



    Comment


    It does seem to have been originally AE, and some dictionaries still mark it as such. But at the same time, both AE and BE dictionaries now list it, and there are examples from British politics and British newspapers like the Sunday Times.


    Would 'broad church' be a better choice in BE, or at least, worth adding as another option?


    In any case, 'big tent' seems to be a good match for that sense of Volkspartei, and I agree that both senses should be listed.


    It might be appropriate to mark the 'broad appeal' sense as chiefly German German and the 'populist/nationalist' sense as chiefly Austrian German. Where does Switzerland come down?



    PS re Pinscher #6: I think you meant Rominara. (-:



    #9Authorhm -- us (236141)  03 Mar 22, 03:15
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    I agree that 'broad church' is the usual BE equivalent of 'big tent'. However, my impression is that both English terms are more often used in reference to different wings of a party or positions within a party, whereas the German term is predominantly about appealing to broad sections of the electorate. That is, the focus of the German term is more on voters than on politicians and party members. Perhaps that ultimately boils down to the same thing, but it does seem like a slight difference in the way the terms are used.


    However, I don't have a better solution, except maybe a paraphrase ('political party that appeals to large segments of the electorate' or whatever). I agree that an entry with 'major party', 'big tent' (with an appropriate tag), 'broad church' (ditto), a paraphrase, or any combination of those would be better than no entry at all.


    OT

    'populist/nationalist' sense


    That's not how I would have described the ÖVP, which I thought was a common-or-garden conservative/Christian democratic party.

    #10Authordulcinea (238640)  03 Mar 22, 10:07
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    Oh, sorry; my mistake, I beg everyone's pardon and defer to the Austrians.

    But can we at least agree that it would be helpful to have entries (with explanations as needed) for both senses?

    And that it would be helpful to have entries for both 'big tent' and 'broad church'? Are there also other possible translations for those?

    related discussion: broad church
    #11Authorhm -- us (236141) 03 Mar 22, 10:28
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    I'm not sure we need a separate entry for 'Volkspartei' as part of the name of a specific political party in Austria/Switzerland; the question, as I understand it, is whether the other, 'broad appeal' sense needs some sort of tag limiting its use to Germany (on the basis that elsewhere the term is, or may be, used only in reference to those particular parties). I have no opinion on that. I do strongly feel that the 'broad appeal' sense deserves an entry.


    The EN->DE direction is tricky, since 'broad church' is not limited to political parties. (Is the same true of 'big tent'? My feeling is that it may be more specific to the political sphere, but I don't really know.) The thread linked to in #11 contains examples in which 'broad church' is used to describe human culture (that one sounds somewhat atypical to me, but not wrong) and the BBC. Something with 'offen' and/or 'Vielfalt', maybe? But I'm sure others will have better ideas.

    #12Authordulcinea (238640) 03 Mar 22, 12:27
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    Thanks for the feedback, dulcinea.

    I agree that 'big tent' is used most often for politics, but there are also a few other examples among those in #9.

    Maybe others will still help wrap this up with some final suggestions. I always think around this point that Doris can probably do that herself, but apparently she sometimes can't or doesn't want to.
    #13Authorhm -- us (236141)  04 Mar 22, 10:21
     
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