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  • Wrong entry

    it pronoun - ihm n.

    Examples/ definitions with source references

    The first entry under Präpositionen / Pronomen / ... in the dictionary list returned for the word it currently looks like this:

    it - used as indirect object  pron. — ihm  n.

    Although the n. is clickable, the link leads to nothing useful. Furthermore, the abbreviation n. is not included in the list of abbreviations used in LEO:

    Hovering over the link causes the word neuter or sächlich to appear, depending on whether the page is displayed in English or German. Hovering, however, only works for certain hardware configurations. A solution that would not leave those without a mouse out in the cold would be: a) spell out the word rather than use an abbreviation or b) add n. to the abbreviation page and change the link to take one there.

    BTW, having the n. there may serve a purpose in certain situations by emphasizing that ihm can only be replaced by it for neuter things or concepts.

    Author patman2 (527865) 23 Mar 23, 22:29
    #1Authorno me bré (700807) 23 Mar 23, 22:41

    A more glaring inadequacy is that "it" is rendered only as es or ihm, depending on case. What about things referred to as "it" in English that in German are masculine or feminine?

    #2AuthorHecuba - UK (250280) 24 Mar 23, 00:31

    more or less off-topic:

    I somehow knew the gender debate would start here any time soon. (SCNR)

    But rightly so.

    #3Authorreverend (314585) 24 Mar 23, 01:15

    I really doubt that it is a sensible use of the time of LEO staff to try to fully define "it".

    #4AuthorMartin--cal (272273) 24 Mar 23, 02:29

    #2-4: So wie ich den OP verstanden habe, geht es darin gar nicht um das "it" sondern um das "n." dahinter. "It" ist nur das Beispiel, bei dem es patman2 aufgefallen ist. Wenn es um das "it" ginge, wäre eher eine Löschung zu überlegen, da es sich bei dem Eintrag weder um eine Grundform noch um ein vollständiges Beispiel handelt.

    Und auch ohne Genderdebatte (ja, ich weiß, das war nur ein Witz), ist Hecubas Einwurf für z.B. Haustiere und Gegenstände ja ebenso gültig: "Die Katze" -> "sie" vs. "the cat" -> "it". Oder "der Stuhl" -> "er" vs. "the chair" -> "it"

    #5Authorm.dietz (780138)  24 Mar 23, 09:21

    So wie ich den OP verstanden habe, geht es darin gar nicht um das "it" sondern um das "n." dahinter.

    Of course -- perhaps I should have marked my post "Slightly OT".

    I was just pointing out that the entries as they stand are incomplete. (Going the other way, "it" is not offered for either er or sie.)

    It's up to other users or the LEO team to decide whether this matters.

    #6AuthorHecuba - UK (250280)  24 Mar 23, 10:42
    Context/ examples

    Siehe Wörterbuch: sich

    herself Pron. — sich 3. P. Sg., f.

    himself Pron. — sich 3. P. Sg. m.

    itself Pron. — sich 3. P. Sg. n.


    So wie ich den OP verstanden habe, geht es darin gar nicht um das "it" sondern um das "n." dahinter.

    Exactly. Maybe I could have formulated the post better and taken the time to find other examples. The link above leads to another entry with n., as well as examples of both m. and f.. The latter two are, like n., clickable, but neither link leads to anything useful. And neither is in the abbreviation list for LEO. Using abbreviations without defining them is one of my pet peeves, and although the hover trick also works here, hovering is not possible for all users!


    #7Authorpatman2 (527865)  25 Mar 23, 02:22
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