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    Habe ich das nur falsch verstanden, oder hat das LEO-Wörterbuch diese Paarung schlicht "übersehen"?

    Verfasser Harald (dede) [de] (370386)  29 Mai 23, 22:17

    Gut gesehen; so verwendet z.B. in

    instigation to racial hatred = Aufstachelung/Anstachelung zum Rassenhass.

    #1Verfasserwienergriessler (925617) 29 Mai 23, 22:24

    Siehe Wörterbuch: instigation ... das Aufhetzen, das Anstiften ...

    .... könnte man bei der Gelegenheit auch noch mit aufnehmen ...

    #2Verfasserno me bré (700807) 29 Mai 23, 22:35

    re #1, "Instigation to racial hatred" sounds quite odd to me, though I see that it is found in relation to Italian criminal law. I can't help but wonder if the Italian verb "instigare" might have something to do with this, but haven't looked into it.

    I am not familiar with the expression "instigate to something" at all, just "instigate something" (thus "instigation of" rather than "instigation to"). Of the many book hits generated by a search for that phrase (with "to") at google books, of the first 40, which were all I looked at, exactly 1 was used in a sentence, or rather, in what appears to be a word for word gloss of a religious text, the others were all in dictionary or dictionary like lists (to instigate, to stir up, to stimulate...)

    In legal language, ahem, outside of the Italian context, one would normally speak of "incitement to racial hatred".

    In everyday speech, one would, I think, be far more likely to say provoke, stir up, or foment racial hatred.

    This is not to say that instigation would work as a translation for Anstachelung in some other contexts, however.

    #3VerfasserAE procrastinator (1268904)  30 Mai 23, 16:50

    #3 +1

    "incitement" would be my first choice.

    Although "inciting racial hatred" worked into a sentence would sound more natural.

    #4VerfasserRES-can (330291)  31 Mai 23, 18:32

    Nur zur Info: Im juristischen Texten ist der in #1 genannte Ausdruck nicht unüblich, nicht nur bezogen auf Italien:

    For example, in the case „The Jewish community of Oslo, etc. against Norway‟, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination agreed that the applicants, both acting in an individual order and the persons, included in the organizations-applicants, in the result of the decision of the Supreme Court of Norway risk to become the victims of consequences of spread of ideas of racial superiority and instigation to racial hatred, without having remedies, what is confirmed by the concrete incidents with use of violence [Views and general comments of the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination,...

    March 2002 Vol (tuiasi.ro)

    #5Verfasserwienergriessler (925617)  01 Jun. 23, 00:37

    But, wienergriessler, that’s not a good place to cite from. The paragraph you quote is in wretched E. (not just because it’s a juridical text). To pick out just three mistakes:


    “The Jewish community of Oslo, etc. against Norway” => The Jewish community of Oslo et al. v. Norway

    “risk to become” => risk becoming

    “what is confirmed” => which is confirmed


    It’s disconcerting that “The Jewish community of Oslo et al. v. Norway, Communication No. 30/2003, U.N. Doc. CERD/C/67/D/30/2003 (2005)” (referred to by the author) itself consistently uses “incitement” (ten times), “instigation” not once: http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/country/decisions/30... One would think the (Russian?) author would have used it as the basis of her text, but evidently not.


    (The rest of that article is riddled with errors, too, pretty much every paragraph that I looked at. No credit at all to the author, nor to the European Journal of Science and Theology.)


    I’m with AE procrastinator and RES-can here.

    #6VerfasserBion (1092007)  01 Jun. 23, 07:42

    Du hast Recht, Bion. Das Zitat führt in die Irre.

    Der OP betraf ja auch nur instigation. Ich habe spontan den Begriff in #1 erwähnt, weil ich ihn aus dem Stdudium sowohl aus einer Vorlesung in London wie auch später von einer internationalen Juristentagung in Den Haag kannte (lang ists her...).

    Er wird offenbar nur selten verwendet. deshalb ziehe ich meine Anmerkungen zum OP zurück.

    #7Verfasserwienergriessler (925617) 01 Jun. 23, 08:00
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