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circa, about - circa, ungefaehr

Wrong entry	circa, about - circa, ungefaehr
Correction	circa (chiefly temporal), about (chiefly temporal) hist. - circa, ungefaehr
Examples/ definitions with source references	The event occurred ca. 1500BC The ball is approximately 2m in diameter. http://kristinhall.org/fambly/Lockwood/Edmund... "...lived circa 1600" Circa is only used in formal written speech, and when related to dates and times. In all other cases, approximately ought to be used. This should be mentioned in the English entries. Likewise, "About" is never used in scientific/engineering language and is more colloquial, it could be suggested for the (chiefly colloq.) addition. Open for discussion.
Comment	Related discussions: related discussion: circa = Schrott? Discussion has been deleted online: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php... (only used for uncertain dates) http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_use_circ... Circa means "around" or "about". If the exact date of an event is uncertain, "circa" may be used to indicate that the date is somewhere within about 10 years of the "circa" year given. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circa prep. Abbr. c. or ca In approximately; about: born circa 1900. [Latin circā, from circum, around (probably on the model of adverbs like intrā, within), from circus, circle; see circle.] Origin: 1860–65; < L: around, about, akin to circus circus http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-cobuild... Circa is used in front of a particular year to say that this is the approximate date when something happened or was made. FORMAL prep (=around) The story tells of a runaway slave girl in Louisiana, circa 1850. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/br... circa preposition Click to hear the UK pronunciation of this word /ˈsɜː.kə//ˈsɝː-/ prep (written abbreviation c , also ca) formal (*used especially with years*) approximately He was born circa 1600.
Author	Emil (237981)	21 Apr 10, 20:06

#1	Author	hm -- us (236141)	21 Apr 10, 20:59
Comment		I would very much support a comment like 'chiefly with dates' for circa in English; that's a frequent source of confusion, and it came up just a day or two ago yet again. It's probably also useful to note that it's fairly formal in English. I would also suggest reviewing the abbreviations for circa; the only ones that are really used are ca. and c., in my experience. 'About,' however, can be used with anything; it's just more casual than 'approximately.'

#2	Author	Emil (237981)	21 Apr 10, 21:10
Comment		http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circa lists all these abbreviations: ca, ca., c., c, cir., circ. the Cambridge dictionary only these: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/br... written abbreviation c , also ca) formal which are the more common ones. Maybe "about" could be labeled "coll." or "casual"?

#3	Author	hm -- us (236141)	21 Apr 10, 21:37
Comment		It's cir. and circ. that look actively wrong to me (and dictionary.reference.com is in my experience not a very reliable source), because they normally would stand for something else (circle, circular ...). And why use a long abbreviation when the word is only 5 letters, and there's an accepted short abbreviation? The period of course is an AE/BE difference.

Suggestions	circa [abbr.: ca, ca., c.] {mostly for dates} - circa, auch: zirka; etwa, ungefähr
Context/ examples	LEO: about adv. --- circa approximate adj. --- circa approximately [abbr.: approx.] adv. --- circa [Abk.: ca.] circa adv. prep. --- circa auch: zirka circa [abbr.: ca, ca.,c., c, cir., circ.] adv. prep. --- circa auch: zirka [Abk.: ca.] circa adv. --- etwa circa adv. --- ungefähr ------ OED: http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50040060?... Around, round about, about. The prep. is often used in Eng. with dates, as circa 1400 (c 1400); it sometimes occurs in comb., as circa-continental adj., etc. Also as n., an instance of this. http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictiona... circa PREPOSITION: Abbr. c. or ca In approximately; about: born circa 1900.
Comment	Alle Eintraege mit "circa" auf der englischen Seite koennten enstprechend homogenisiert werden. Mir waere mostly with dates lieber als chiefly temporal. In circa three days ist temporal, aber ich denke, hier waere about oder approximately gebraeuchlicher. Bzgl. der Abkuerzungen kommen mir cir. und circ. ebenfalls sehr ungebraeuchlich vor. Auch c (ohne Punkt) erscheint mir selbst fuer AE seltsam. (Muttersprachler?) Uebrigens: Was haltet ihr vom Eintrag "approximate - circa" ? Mir will aus dem Kopf kein Beispiel einfallen, wo diese Uebersetzung stimmt, i. e. circa im D als Adjektiv gebraucht wird.
#4	Author	Mausling (384473)	22 Apr 10, 00:31

Suggestions

circa [abbr.: ca, ca., c.] {mostly for dates}

circa, auch: zirka; etwa, ungefähr

Context/ examples

LEO:
about adv. --- circa
approximate adj. --- circa
approximately [abbr.: approx.] adv. --- circa [Abk.: ca.]

circa adv. prep. --- circa auch: zirka
circa [abbr.: ca, ca.,c., c, cir., circ.] adv. prep. --- circa auch: zirka [Abk.: ca.]
circa adv. --- etwa
circa adv. --- ungefähr
------
OED: http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50040060?...
Around, round about, about. The prep. is often used in Eng. with dates, as circa 1400 (c 1400); it sometimes occurs in comb., as circa-continental adj., etc. Also as n., an instance of this.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictiona...
circa
PREPOSITION:
Abbr. c. or ca
In approximately; about: born circa 1900.

Comment

Alle Eintraege mit "circa" auf der englischen Seite koennten enstprechend homogenisiert werden. Mir waere mostly with dates lieber als chiefly temporal. In circa three days ist temporal, aber ich denke, hier waere about oder approximately gebraeuchlicher.

Bzgl. der Abkuerzungen kommen mir cir. und circ. ebenfalls sehr ungebraeuchlich vor. Auch c (ohne Punkt) erscheint mir selbst fuer AE seltsam. (Muttersprachler?)

Uebrigens: Was haltet ihr vom Eintrag "approximate - circa" ? Mir will aus dem Kopf kein Beispiel einfallen, wo diese Uebersetzung stimmt, i. e. circa im D als Adjektiv gebraucht wird.

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Mausling (384473)

22 Apr 10, 00:31

#5	Author	oreg (353563)	23 Apr 10, 11:00
Context/ examples		DWDS: * circa /Adv./ s. zirka * zirka /Adv.; Abk.: ca./ 〈lat.〉 /nur in Verbindung mit einer Zeit-, Mengen- oder Größenangabe/ ungefähr; etwa, rund: er kommt in z. drei Wochen; das dauert z. eine Stunde, war vor z. einem Jahr; z. zwanzig Personen waren gekommen; die Arbeit wird z. hundert Seiten umfassen; wir mußten noch z. drei Kilometer zu Fuß gehen; er wiegt z. zwei Zentner, ist z. 1,90 Meter groß BERTELSMANN Wörterbuch * cir\|ca [Abk.: ca.] → zirka * zir\|ka [Adv. ; Abk.: ca.] ungefähr, etwa; z. fünf Kilometer; z. zehn Jahre [ Duden: * zir\|ka: →circa. * cir\|ca [lat. circa (Adv. u. Präp.) = ringsherum, nahe bei; ungefähr, gegen, zu: circus, ...
Comment		@Mausling: Good spotting! The German dictionaries confirm that 'circa' is an adverb exclusively. Odd: I don't think I've ever seen the spelling 'zirka' before. I support 'with (historic) dates'.

#6	Author	Emil (237981)	23 Apr 10, 23:31
Comment		Wie waere es denn mit 'exclusively with (historic) dates', damit im Englischen klar ist, in welchem Fall es angewandt wird?

#7	Author	hm -- us (236141)	06 May 10, 21:02
Comment		Really, the marking should be on the German side, right? We English speakers already know it's only used with dates. Years, actually. But yes, I support adding some kind of marking, if it hasn't been done. It comes up pretty often, e.g., today again: related discussion: ca.

#8	Author	Mausling (384473)	06 May 10, 23:53
Comment		Nope, die Markierungen sollten auf die englische Seite, weil Beschreibung/Nutzungseinschraenkungen ebenso wie die Sprachraumbezeichnung und der Gebrauch beim jeweiligen Wort steht. circa {used mostly/only for historic dates} - circa approximately - circa LEO fuegt alle Erklaerungen stets dem jeweiligen Begriff zu. Ansonsten begaenne man sich zu fragen ob bei screwdriver - der Schraubenzieher - nicht fachsprachlich nun der screwdriver oder der Schraubenzieher nicht fachsprachlich sein soll.

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circa, about - circa, ungefaehr

circa, about - circa, ungefaehr

circa (chiefly temporal), about (chiefly temporal)

circa, ungefaehr

circa [abbr.: ca, ca., c.] {mostly for dates}

circa, auch: zirka; etwa, ungefähr

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circa, about - circa, ungefaehr

circa, about - circa, ungefaehr

circa (chiefly temporal), about (chiefly temporal)

circa, ungefaehr

circa [abbr.: ca, ca., c.] {mostly for dates}

circa, auch: zirka; etwa, ungefähr

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