I don't think any of us, including myself, have given april her answer. I have repeatedly started to quickly respond to many of the posts in this chain, but whenever I would want to say, "Yes, that's it" I would start writing and realize, well, no, not quite, and whenver I would want to say, "No, that's not it" I would start writing and realize, well, yes, it's at least partly right. So I've been scouring and scouring, dozens and dozens of websites and printed resources, and I think I might have something helpful for april.
First, let me say that I thought "the quality of the material employed" was the best choice because of what I had called euphony and personal preference, and most people (not all) in this chain agreed -- "the quality of the employed material" just didn't sound right, was awkward, or was "bumpy" (as I understood @27 with my pitifully limited vocabulary).
Second, let me thank hm-us for recognizing my G&S analogy. It was greatly appreciated. I also want to thank hm for inspiring me to want to write a very quick "NO!" response and then realizing, well, maybe, and ultimately -- I want to thank hm for being, of all the posts in this chain, most probably the closest to the correct answer.
Adjectives occur in 3 positions in English sentences:
1. attributive position
2. predicative postion
3. post-positive position
Attributive adjectives always
come before the noun and describe some attribute of the noun. The frightened children ...
Predicative adjectives always
come after the noun and
after a connecting verb like be, seem, appear, etc. or
as part of a clause of some kind. The children are frightened. The children who are frightened ...
Post-positive (or postpositive) adjectives always
come after the noun but
there is no connecting verb or clause -- however
, there could be, it's just omitted. You can Google post-positive
(with or without the hyphen) or adjectives after nouns
, or grammar adjectives
, or attributive predicative adjectives
and get plenty of sites and authorities. I've looked at several dozen of them, and the simplest one that I like is a guy who teaches English in the Netherlands, http://ictyenglish.blogspot.com/2006/01/gramm...
He points out that many adjectives that follow nouns (but not all) are participles (which is what we are talking about in april's OP) - his examples:
I wrote to the person concerned.
I got a rebate for tax paid.
They worked through the night to repair the damage caused.
I need to contact the people responsible.
Did you receive the amount due?
In each case, the adjective does not work properly if placed before the noun. In these sentences, the relative clause is omitted and the participle (or other word) becomes an adjective:
I wrote to the person (who is/was) concerned.
I got a rebate for the tax (that I) paid.
They worked through the night to repair the damage (that was) caused.
I need to contact the people (who are) responsible.
Did you receive the amount (that is/was) due (to you)?
hm -- does this look familiar? It is virtually what you said in @24.
april -- your OP becomes the quality of the material (that is/was) employed
Many posts, including hm, want to substitute a synonym for "employed" -- "used" -- but I don't think april needs to go there because the fellow of the site I listed above is one of the few sites to warn that the position of an adjective before or after a noun can
totally change the meaning (it doesn't have to, but it can).the quality of the used material
could mean only the quality of previously used material (recycled material) as opposed to the quality of brand new material, whereasthe quality of the material used
could mean the quality of both the previously used material used and the new material used.the quality of the employed material
may not be wrong, but it is not necessarily right in april's instance -- yes, it's awkward, it's bumpy, and it doesn't sound right.the quality of the material employed
is correct because of the implied relative clause that is omitted, just as hm said -- it is the quality of the material that is or was employed.
Now I just wish I could reconstruct the dozens of websites I visited. I apologize for being so long-winded.